""What happened to Jesus’ father St Joseph,
did he die?"'

the energy of the father joseph
lives on..just like all those wishing to live live on
[just as those who se no hope in the personality they were..can chose..or be forced to get are reborn

this rebirth is via the lowest level of hell
the so called pits..who's description so matches that an egg would describe a woumb...[so as to be definitive linkage]..via what science would call a worm hole[lol]

of course the seers..avoided such base revealations
thus chose other words...[such like mosus not being ABLE to look upon gods face]..but this info i have previously posted

you continue..""Nor was it the liberal doses of corporal punishment metered out..by these low ranking functionaries..to one small boy."'

mate..if you ask people questions
that threaten what they believe..be they athiest or fallen
human nature is to strike out at that which causes them pain

you threatend the core of their belief
and their faith was too weak to explain it to you

forgive them
they knew not WHY..they did
[ie listend to the inner voice of demons
and chose to bring their vile...into their soul]

we are what we allow
from thought into deed
wether we CHOSE..to obey
the inner voicing of demons..

or angels
it is..*Yours..*to chose

[1 st law]

Woot:
<How do you describe the beauty in something to the person that cannot see it? I am not skilled enough to recognise the path in that regard, I am sorry, and yes sad if that is your question :(>
..The art of answering a difficult question with a rhetorically stupid one!

<Live and let live with no undue advantage to any>
Beautiful!

But I don't want this thread to close without observing that we've seen almost nothing but "intolerance" from the atheists here, which is why they're so eager, abruptly, to remember the pc spin at the death and latch on to Pelican's ameliorative voice as though it was their own all along.
Does the ridicule and demonising we've seen here from beginning to end indicate tolerance? or a genuine stance of live and let live?
No, they're no more tolerant than the institution they seek to displace, though they're just as agile.
The undue advantage now lies, has long been, with the liberal rationalists.
I've never been a friend of the church, especially since it modernised and tried to seduce me (us) with its public relations wing, but I'm not going to sit idly by while the rationalists go on building momentum and proselytising the swinging spiritualists into their bleak Weltanschauung, whereby they may eventually dispense with equivocation altogether in favour of their binary logic--which is dangerous as well as tedious.
I wish I could take sides in this, but each is too stark and all that's on offer, finally, is a changing of the guard--delusion for delusion.
Of course it's not up to me--except where "I'm" concerned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xqg6Sjnmeg&feature=related

The old testament. The old old desert war sounds, hence why they made the new testament:)

Cactus

I say again, what an interesting thread. It’s reported that a bunch of atheists are gathering in Melbourne for a convention and somehow that demonstrates that atheists are intolerant or this is a part of the alleged intolerance they possess.

Meanwhile back in reality, something some atheists should visit now and then, religion goes about its business of privileged status. Dare anyone point this out because it is intolerant to do so? Yeah….Right!

Thirty billion dollars of untaxed income goes to religion and they still demand to discriminate against those who upset their precious sensibilities.

Voluntary euthanasia is denied because only a certain god can give and take life.

Women are not equal because of biblical proclamation.

Lesbians and gays must not have equality in the eyes of religion because of some twisted idea of a god’s perfect plan, only included heterosexuals.

Abortion is nearly an evil as great as homosexuality. Or, it could be the other way around, depending on which part of religion one is proclaiming from.

Stem cell research, which could make the lives of millions of people a whole lot better, is denied because a lump of cells is more important than a live suffering human being.

Effective sex-education is not allowed because it could lead to promiscuity and people could have sex before marriage. God help me the with inanity of that one.

Nuclear/biological weapons are in the hands of religious nations, and others are trying to get them. The end-of-times, being a common bond.

And against all of this, there are atheists trying to point out these very same problems. Not all atheists, some are so far up themselves that their importance outweighs reality. They really don’t give a toss for anything but their own delusion of self importance.

David

Hatred knows to shout
wisdom's silence will win out
now peace reigns, no doubt

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.