Dear Kactuz,

With all due respect - I have to point out that
from the sound of your two posts directed at
Mr Abdul. J., it worries me that you're presenting
an irrational, inflexible attitude towards an
entire category of people. You are "prejudging,"
people you don't even know. You are presenting very
negative feelings - antipathy, hostility, even fear.
Your statements are rooted in generalizations and
your statements ignore the differences among individuals.

You are prejudiced against Muslims and therefore you have
a negative attitude toward any individual Muslim, in the
belief that all Muslims share the same supposed traits.

Over the past decades, religious fervor has erupted in
the Islamic world in general and in the Middle East in
particular. This fervor has been inspired by
fundamentalism, a commitment to, and reliance on, the
traditional basics of religious doctrine.

To many Westerners, Islamic fundamentalism seems like an
almost scandalous return to medieval morality. It
conjures forth images of women behind veils, of adulterers
being stoned, of theives having their hands cut off, of
public floggings and executions, of martyrdom in holy wars,
and, in extreme cases, of political fanaticism exemplified
in aircraft hijackings and terrorist bombings.

This picture is rather distorted, for it is based on what
is newsworthy rather than what is typical. You need to do
much more research before you make any assumptions about
a whole group of people. You need to ask WHY has Islamic
fundamentalism intensified at all? Sociologists have
observed that fundamentalist revivals, in whatever religion,
take place in times when social changes have led to turmoil,
uncertainty, and the erosion of familiar values.

When people find themselves confused, threatened, or even
appalled at changing conditions, they may see a "return
to basics," as a solution.

Gday Kactuz hows it going?
I have a few thoughts,not QL that it was you.
First can we help on such little information? no not really.
But was it intended we would?
Who knows.
What if the intention was to flame us, get us off on a trail then tell the world we are racists ,even post links.
From another country, we do not yet know what one,we must consider this was posted in a second Language, so we make allowances.
In migration, the corruption very often is from the victims own country men, until we hear more I will think this.
But the umpire is out on the whole issue.
PS
I dislike Muslim separatism in my country ,and highlight we are the Mountain Muhammad moves.

Kactus,
Having read your two posts a couple of times I find them a fair sumatiom of our general experience of muslim immigrants.

However I was quite prepared to wait and see if Abdul J. offered any further information as to what his problems are or were, before commenting.

For example, I suspect that some immigration agents take many for a ride and charge massive fees for virtually nothing. If so that needs exposing.

Interesting article in the Aus yesterday about some that came, as children, on the 'Tampa' and ended up in NZ. They are now contributing to the NZ community, but NZ is now saddled with their families and I notice that none interviewed offered any reasons why boat people should be accepted ahead of those that have spent years in squalld camps.

Maybe as well as refusing permanent residence we should disallow the 'family reunion provissions' to those we accept as refugees. Thereby reducing the incentive for the illegals to try.

Banjo makes a good point:

<< Maybe as well as refusing permanent residence we should disallow the 'family reunion provissions' to those we accept as refugees. Thereby reducing the incentive for the illegals to try.>>

The main driving force behind the “refugee” / “asylum seeker” scam is the desire to get ones self and ones family into an affluent Western country--economic advancement.

And as the US is belatedly becoming aware of, many of those claiming to be family are not even related.

"The State Department said Wednesday that a U.S. family-reunification program for African refugees has been suspended after DNA testing of applicants revealed widespread fraud."
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2008-08-20-voa59-66676452.html

One can only guess how much of this is getting past our own far less thorough "processes".

Hi
Belly,Leap,Lexi,Katkuz and Mojo thanks for your response as I am not very good in writing but still my discussion clearly saying that I am talking about immigration and most of you direct response to that as well,no wounder I ran away from third world country where corruption is high, If I will do same thing here than you can ask question why you left your country in first place and as I am against corruption and bieng a living wrong side of the road 22 years in Australia what I can see there are problems in immigration system but its not mean that all employees who are working for immigration are corrupt, I believe in Australian System and according to that I can say if not 100% atleast 99% Immigration employees are working honestly, If this is the case than why immigration suystem not working smoothly like all others department in Austrlia its mean there is some thing not wright and that some thing or hurdel or policy or money or power what ever it is, I will request to you please discuss, If you focus on news about immigration about boat people about overstayres about politition and about refugee advocate statement I am sure our discussion will make some sense and point to us into right direction and hopefully immigration system aswell thanks.
and for Mr.Kakuz pleae stuck with the topic some time in future I will give you chance to talk about Islam and Muslim aswell I also want to talk about it and this is my very first time that I am part of any forum and if you withdraw your comments would be nice thanks.
If there is any mistake please forgive me.
Abdul.J

Good to see you back Abdul stay tell your story.
You will remember in my first reply I said some subjects are emotional ones in this country.
Forgive us for that, we are no different than any other country.
Banjo I think the very reason Children arrive unattended is so parents get an open door entry.
In fact if allowed to work, the Malaysian solution will stop the boats.
On this matter Australia is best served if our major party's work together to bring what is mostly a scam, to and end .
We know migration is to continue and a hungry industry need will drive it.
Abdul may tell us of the corruption he speaks of.
Increasingly and sadly this country is learning bad lessons in this area.