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Could UK style riots happen in Australia?

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I am directly addressing the question 'Could it happen here?' by showing it all ready has repeatedly.

The reason for using the rioting Anzacs was to show the lie that only the feckless dropout could engage in such behavior, or that social media is to blame.

My further example of the Melbourne riots showed the participation of the young without prior criminal histories is not dependent on militant feminism or fatherless homes.

We need to realize that given the right circumstances our communities are perfectly capable of engaging in riotous behavior even our revered Australian troops.

I'm not using the example to denigrate them rather to show they were completely human as are the British rioters, all capable of running amok. This propensity was so vividly illustrated in the book 'Lord of the Flies'.

It is a truism of human nature that if the respect we have for those institutions we have agreed to allow a degree of control over our lives disappears then chaos will reign.

The question then becomes how do those controlling institutions react? If, as in the case of the Sydney riots, concessions were made and grievances addressed, respect regained. On the otherhand if purely vengeful and punitive measures are taken then all that will be achieved is the setting of a time table for the next conflagration.

David Cameron would appear to be setting the stage for the latter although agreeing to address the needs of 120,000 dysfunctional families is perhaps in some fashion facing reality.
Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 10:17:06 AM
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csteele,
you again refer to the soldiers that rioted in Sydney as Anzacs.
They clearly were not and as a former Australian Infantryman, who was not an ANZAC but upheld that tradition, I find the reference offensive.
You may be happy to call the rioters Anzacs, others are not.

There is also the small matter of historical accuracy.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 11:54:38 AM
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Dear Is Mise,

You have already informed me of your offense of the obvious. Perhaps you might have preferred the term 'soon to be ANZACs'. And I suppose that term could be applied to the 3,000 Anzac troops who rioted for three days in Cairo just before they were shipped out for the Dardenelles campaign.

You seem to be trying to make the point that Anzacs were not Anzacs unless they had served in Gallipoli. Yet it was the same men who trashed parts of Cairo. Plus it was the same troops in training in Sydney who went on to serve in Anzac divisions.

I note you are on your high horse but that is as much as you get.

There is nothing like a riot to bring about changes in conditions and the Cairo mayhem saw far better veneral disease management, free condoms and other actions that addressed the concerns of the troops.

Our rioting, pox ridden lot were also incredibly brave resourceful soldiers extremely loyal to each other and they really don't need any sugar coating from you.

However the discussion here is about rioting and rioters they indeed were.
Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 12:50:39 PM
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I have no respect for David Cameron, a man who caraes about no-one outsdie of his own class and who himself has a conviction for arson and vandalism (trashing property) in 1986. I'm Scots but most English people north of Manchester can't stand him either.

As to whether the ENGLISH riots could happen here, yes they coulod. We have a many disengaged young people here who see no future and who don't feel the polititians listen or care.

The riots were English only and even the BBC was forced to apologise to Scotland for their innaccurate reporting of 'UK' and Britain' riots. THey had to change the reportying to say England.

I wish the Australian media would follow suite.
Posted by Sulean Dubh, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 3:11:32 PM
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Dear Sulean Dubh,

I think you might find it was Nick Clegg who did community service, without a conviction, for setting fire to some cacti in Germany aged 16, unless of course you have other details.

Dear Is Mise,

On reflection I realize I run the risk of being on my own high horse so I will endeavor to be more circumspect about referring to the Sydney rioters as Anzacs as not all of them ended up in Anzac divisions.

Indeed Ernest William KEEFE was of the 6th Light Horse Regiment Depot when he was killed on 14 February 1916 by soldiers dispersing rioters at Liverpool Station.

He is honored at the War Museum.

http://alh-research.tripod.com/Light_Horse/index.blog/2165472/the-battle-of-central-station-new-south-wales-14-february-1916-roll-of-honour/
Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 4:18:27 PM
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Banjo we will have that beer one day, but mate fair go!
Your post is silly on two grounds.
You should surely understand I have flogged my party here often, in fact take the anti English labor stand here.
Now! think!csteele is a Social activist from the left[ I base that on the evidence of his/her posts.
I am in this thread contending the cuddle a mug, blame the police, not the crim, mob are using this and every such issue for politics.
That first beer! your shoot!
But I have done it too, you now honestly have insulted me worse than ever here, comparing me with Shadow Minister!, he can come but his shout ok?
is mise I am not anti csteele but you are right here.
I am totally unhappy with a thread using less we forget for reasons other than to remember too.
I Have an idea for debate next post.
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 17 August 2011 5:13:53 PM
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