Yep.It did not take long.Labor are traitors to their own people whom they proport to represent.They are reaping what they have sewn.Long may they decay in their egocentric, corrupt,hedonistic,nepotism.

Goodbye Labor.Treachery most foul will be your epitaph.

Morgan, you are obviously one of those who support the carbon tax.

So please answer a few simple questions.
1 do you think the carbon tax, given that it will simply be passed on, will actually reduce emissions?
2 do you think it is wise for one of the smallest polluters to go about trying to fix a global problem almost single handed.
3 do you think the generators of emissions are responsible, or, do you agree that the end user is the one at fault?
4 given that our economy is being propped up by our resources, do you think it is worth the risk to implement a tax that will make this sector anti competitive with global competition?

In my view there should be incentives given to end users to cut emissions, like, reduced kilowatt fees for the first amount of power used, then increases for anything above.

The fact is that those on high incomes simply don't care. They can afford to pay more. It is those who require 100% of their income to get by that will pay the price.

Kids will be pulled from private schools, have their recreational activities reduced all because life will be come tougher.

Business is failing and, given that it is the largest employer, you should be very worried, if not for yourself, at least for those around you.

This government is allowing our world to crumble, if fact, they are doing their best to assist.

Internet shopping is another example.

Kmart, who employs thousands, are disadvantaged with the GST, however, online traders, who employ a few, don't have to charge GST. How many items do you see on the shelf at Kmart for $1000 or more?

There are many others like Kmart who suffer.

This government wastes billions on boat people, yet allows our seniors to starve, yet in many's eyes they can do no wrong.
Why?

@ rehctub:

1. The carbon tax won't have much of an effect itself, but the ETS it's intended to develop into will.
2. We're not going about it singlehandedly, and we are the highest per capita emitters of greenhouse gases on the planet.
3. I think both consumers and producers should pay the real cost of emissions.
4. Given that the economy is, as you say, propped up by the extraction of non-renewables resource, I think it's high time we seriously look at another future than as the world's quarry.

While I agree that the wealthy could just shrug off the minimal extra expense of the carbon tax, it seems to me that they are among its most vocal opponents. If parents have to send their kids to public schools, so what? That would be good for their relative funding, as far as I can tell. As for recreational activities, I don't get the connection. Indeed, team sports might benefit from having parents around on weekends instead of working.

What you don't understand is that whatever we do or don't do, we're all going to suffer a bit of pain. However, the longer we delay, the more pain we'll feel.

Morganzola & others are becoming disconnected from reality.
The government is spending money at a rate which cannot be
supported by near zero growth.
Our growth rate at the moment is 2%. However our interest & capital
repayment has to be paid out of that 2%.
I think what is happening is that the government is printing money
to make up the difference or borrowing more money, said to be at the
rate of $1,000,000,000 a month.

This is the same bind that the US & Europe has got itself into.
The only way we can start putting big money into alternative energy
systems is to reduce living standards, pensions etc.
Somehow we have to start reducing costs in other areas because we
cannot expect to keep living off China's iron ore & coal buying for a lot longer.

All "developed countries" are having growth problems.
As oil depletion sets in that growth will turn into contraction.
China & India, who still have significant growth will only be able
to keep their growth by increasing contraction in "developed countries".

Morgan, nice talking to someone who answers questions.

The ETS will be fine, as for someone to produce carbon, they have to first buy credits. The carbon tax does not address this, it simply means that they can continue to produce and simply pass the costs on.

As for being a large generator, well that's simply due to our small population, our high living standards and the fact that we are a large exporter of resources.

The challenge for us will be to continue supplying this demand, while at the same time reducing our outputs. Huge!

Both pay, I can live with that.

The worlds quarry.
So don't you want future generations to have what we had?

My position has always been that we need to find a way to deal with carbon.

Timber houses is one way, perhaps storing carbon in concrete, cement, road surfaces may be some other to consider.

To think we will be able to supply. The words demands, maintain our way of life and reduce outputs is all but a dream. A bit like pissing into a fan one might say.

In any case, this whole carbon debated may not have been so bad had we ended up with a government that has a strong track record and, as I say, business has lost confidence and that is a very bad situation for us to be in, especially when they are already fighting both a high dollar and non cooperative banks.

morganzola.... from your comments to my previous post on thread

I am pleased I amused you morganzola.....

it simply suggests

not only are you a environazi.....

you are also a spelling nazi.....

I guess your fascism (who lets face it were not right but as left Lenin and with similar murderous habits) knows no limits

Yawn

Cheers