http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2788496.html

That the Gillard government would have the audacity to claim that the carbon tax would meet their 2020 goal of 5% below 2000 levels, when treasury's projected levels are 13% higher than 2000 levels is breath taking.

The target is reached essentially with an huge renewables direct action plan (supposedly rejected by the economists) and buying vast quantities of carbon credits from overseas. This is tantamount to admitting that the carbon tax in itself does very little to reduce carbon.

Secondly the modelling on the increase in costs to the consumer only includes the carbon tax, not the huge renewables program, which is estimated to double the impact of the carbon tax, and for which there is no compensation.

awe...no fair minester
its no fun..revealing how the majic was done

watch the hand..
play the man..not the game
so many topics..so many with nothing new to say

great of the pm to reveal some new spin
yes emmisions will increase..but..nz has half price carbon credits

we can buy them
even the eu has cheaper credits
so lets buy them

i recall hearing yesterday
how if you bought them...you cant sell them
but if you got em for free...you can sell them

so dont pay
allow govt to give us them
only then can we sell them

its so sad ol mate
but lets be fair..if it was howard selling HIS sceme
would we still be on the same side?

i recall [the red rad queen of oz]..pm
said last night..[admitted it was thatcher
that first thunk it publicly...[because of cooling]

it failed cause then there came warming
so howard picked it up....[and it started coolling again]
so it became clim-mate change..[cause thats what climate does]

if we spin it right
at the right time
with model/bling

we can get a big new tax
well lets build in a revieuw mechanism to text the science
the month prior to implimentation..just incase its cooling again

but know..no we wont do that
the up/shot is oak/shot sold out..
to the very bunkum he said he wouldnt allow...
[income churn]..lol..its so sad its pathet-trick

SM,

The following website may be of interest:

http://newmatilda.com/2011/07/11/carbon-tax-we-had-have

And please do read it before you criticize anything.

Lexi please.

In his second paragraph he's talking about Australia's excessively high pollution level.

Everyone knows CO2 is plant food. Only a lefty idiot would still be talking about it being pollution.

Dear Hasbeen,

You're wrong. Not only a "lefty idiot," thinks that way but people like Margaret Thatcher and other conservatives all agreed that over the past quarter century, pollution of the environment has begun to threaten the ecological balance and the health of many of its species, including ourselves. As a result of burning fuels and wastes and the razing of forests, the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is steadily increasing. This gas creates a "greenhouse effect" on the planet, for it allows solar rays to reach the earth's surface but prevents heat from radiating back into space. Anyway, I won't attempt to educate you here, I don't see that as my place to do. - You can Google "Greenhouse Effect" yourself and read up on it. The main point is, after decades of carelessly dumping noxious gases and particulates into the atmosphere, most of the industrialised societies are now enforcing clean-air standards. Anyway, read the entire website I gave you - don't just nit-pick on what you see as a
"leftie" point of view simply because it doesn't agree with the spin you've been given. Have an open mind - you may actually learn something.

Lexi,

My point was that according to government modelling, the carbon tax is not going to work, if the target is to reduce carbon emissions by 7.5% from today, but actually increases it by 6%.

If this has no effect on global emissions why do we have to have this tax?