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Result of Carbon tax, emissions increase by 13% over 2000 levels.

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SM and fellow anti-CT campaigners.

Please, quit your whinging. It's gonna cost you a few bucks a week to contribute to the protection of the quality of life of future generations.

If you're truly not up for sacrificing a cent for future generations, when the rest of the country is celebrating ANZAC day next year, get on OLO and tell us all why sacrifice is not your thing.

If you really just don't believe there is a risk to future generations at all, if you think that the mass of evidence backed by every single significant scientific organization in the world is not enough to suggest any risk at all, I really have to question your ability to assess risk. Please, don't become a financial advisor.

And if you don't believe a carbon tax will do anything, maybe you should be teaching economics at out universities as it seems most reputable economists disagree with you. But perhaps you'll be too busy teaching science with your superior knowledge.
Posted by TrashcanMan, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 1:59:48 PM
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Ammonite,

If you are trying to convince us that carbon dioxide causes climate change, then we are convinced before you start.

However, 2/3 Australians believe, and rightly so that they will be better off without the vote buying "compensation" of the carbon tax, so Juliar has failed to convince the electorate that she is telling the truth this time.

For example Juliar promised that this tax would be revenue neutral. Then on Sunday, we realise that there is a shortfall of $4.3 bn that is funded from existing taxes, that Whine Swan called "broadly revenue neutral" (What BS). Now we find that there is a hit on our taxes for at least another $3bn to close the brown coal power stations.

Finally, the claim that emissions will decrease are bogus, and will actually increase by 5.5% over the next 8 years. Instead we will donate more than $3bn per annum to buy carbon credits overseas, many of which have been shown to be bogus.

This plan is rotten to the core.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 2:17:23 PM
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SM,

The legislation is going to be passed whether you like it or not.
Australia has always been behind the rest of the world by about 30 years. Fortunately, this time we have a leader who will take us into the 21st Century. Make us competitive, ensure jobs, a strong economy,
invest in renewables, and do the right thing by our children and grandchildren. Of course there are risks involved - but any innovation involves risks. There is no longer an excuse for inaction.
Except by the narrow-minded-short-sighted greedy people who only think of their own interests and their own pockets - first and formost.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 2:46:35 PM
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SM

1. People like Hasbeen are still in the 19th century as far as understanding science.

2. It is merely you opinion that the Carbon Tax Plan is rotten to the core, many economists beg to differ:

A survey of 145 economists released today found that 60% believe the Gillard government’s carbon tax is good economic policy.

The carbon tax package, announced on Sunday, penalises 500 heavy polluters for their greenhouse gas emissions and will create $24.5 billion over its first four years. It will be replaced with a market-based emissions trading scheme in 2015.

The policy has been fiercely opposed by the Coalition, which favours a suite of direct action policies instead to tackle climate change.

However, the survey of economists found that 85% of respondents who had a view on the Coalition’s plan did not think it was sound economic policy....

...“We asked two questions. Roughly how much are you in favour or against this carbon tax package announced by the government? And what is your reaction to the direct action plan of the Coalition?,” said the Economic Society of Australia’s president, Professor Bruce Chapman from the Crawford School of Economics and Government at ANU.

“The results were fairly clear cut. Something like 60% were in favour of the governments approach and 25% were against and 15% had no opinion.”

Professor Chapman said the results were not surprising.

“One of the basic tenets of economics is that if people are engaged in an activity which is seen to be harmful to society, then the role of government is to tax that activity to diminish that type of behaviour,” he said....

......The survey coincided with the release of another poll of 500 members of the Economic Society of Australia on a range of policies, including the mining tax and middle-class welfare.

Around 70% of respondents to that survey said they support a national excess profits tax on miners and two-thirds of want middle-class welfare cut so that more assistance can be given to the disabled and severely disadvantaged."

http://theconversation.edu.au/economists-back-carbon-tax-package-2313
Posted by Ammonite, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 3:37:49 PM
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Lexi,

If this tax is passed, Labor will suffer as NSW labor did. A DD election fought on the carbon tax will remove the green block, and there will be a coalition government for as long as Labor's incompetence remains fresh in voters' minds.

If the tax proves to be as toxic as I think, the labor caucus might well pull the pin on Juliar, and the tax will die. I think she desperately needs the next few months to recover support or she may well be for the chopping block.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 3:56:24 PM
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Tman not many of us are complaining about a few bucks a week as we see the big picture.

What concerns us is that we become anti competetive and we loose out way of life. we are already struggling with a record high dollar.

Lexie, I admire your support for this crowd, I just hope you don't find some excuse if you are proven wrong as you are in the depleting miniority who accually think this lot is doing a good job.

And once again, in true incompitent form, she has announced that the top 500 will be targeted, only she won't tell anyone who they are.

Obviously she is capable of more stuff ups.

Oviously
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 13 July 2011 4:28:09 PM
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