An old tactic for sure,

I don't think it is going to work this time,
on Rudd- on this issue.

I raise this topic after watching the Costello interview on Lateline.
Did anyone see it?

I don't like the guy,
he has always appeared way to smug for my tastes,
but this interview took the cake.

damn, he really made my skin crawl.
With the first polls coming out tomorrow it appears that the tactic is not working (yet).
Costello, unfazed, mentioned something about these things 'taking time to filter through the electorate' or something to that extent.
Meaning I suppose, that there is going to be a hell of a lot more ramming of this issue down our throats.

Left or right, (admitably I am left), I have found the political discourses of late actually very interesting... until this.

Is this the end of issues now, real issues, until the election?
If the coalition polls start to lift, I think so,
if not, maybe they can get back to some decent debates and differences.

thoughts?

It might have worked if the coalition had been more successful at making Rudd out to be a tall poppy, but they weren't and now it just looks like the big bovver boys are getting stuck into a boy scout type.

Costello went on last night about Rudd being driven by ambition, but it's too late for that to stick now and rather hollow coming from When Will It Be My Turn Costello.

Howard is the last person who can credibly attack someone else's honesty and integrity, so he can't carry it off either.

Campbell's efforts are wasted because he can't keep the smile off his face - pretty weird for a guy who's just lost his job.

Overall I think it fits the pattern we're seeing where the whole Labor side have been keeping their cool while the coalition go into a seething frenzy. It's too aggressive.

Remember the impact the Latham/Howard handshake had on the public impression of Latham? A big bully boy getting too aggressive with a little man is a very bad look. Even Howard's media supporters are noticing Howard's wheels are falling off.

How about Keating's remarks? You may not like the man, but some of the things he says are national treasures. "All tip and no iceberg". We were rolling in the aisles over that.

The campbell thing really did expose a bit of hypocrisy. It's difficult for the Howard Government to suddenly care about accountability when they abandoned that quite some time ago.

Perhaps if Downer had resigned over AWB I'd be a little more inclined to believe this line. Even if he didn't know, that should have been sufficient grounds to warrant a resignation.

Yet a 20 minute conversation with Burke did?

Howard has always been able to go against public opinion and in a weird twist it's worked for him. He's been able to stand up and say, "I'm doing this cause I think it's right, not because of fickle public opinion."

The thing is - the Campbell sacking is at odds with this. It just doesn't stack up, and it goes to show Howard has abandoned his tactic of standing up for what he believes, no matter how many may disagree.

This, I think, will bite him.

The Burke issue doesn't really cut with the electorate. While this is a character issue, it is difficult to hold on to something tangible and say: this is what will happen if you vote for Rudd.

What exactly? Meetings with disgraced ministers? Who cares? (I'm aware of Burke's history and that it is quite significant - my point is that most people really don't give a damn).

Whereas things like war, nuclear power, climate change, David Hicks... these all have tangible effects that the electorate can decide upon.

Presumably Campbell's "resignation" will be costing him a lot of money. Does anyone know how much? Well, it's one thing to hopefully help your boss in his tactic of attacking Rudd. And maybe it's OK to try and fool yourself that the public will see you in a good light for acting "honourably". But what about the money that this charade is costing Campbell?

I know that if it was me paying the supreme sacrifice in this way, then I would expect to be adequately compensated for my monetary losses.

I found the following comments interesting in a thread supposedly lamenting "playing the man not the ball"

"I don't like the guy,
he has always appeared way to smug for my tastes,
but this interview took the cake.

damn, he really made my skin crawl."

Ok I share the sentiments regarding Costello but is playing the man not the ball only a concern when the other side does it or is it wrong regardless of who does it?

I hear the same from Labor supporters regarding Howard playing loose with the truth (telling whoppers) and their expressed moral outrage at this but a massive silence where Labor pollies tell their own porkies.

All sides of politics seem to go after any weakness they spot in their opponents, that is their nature. For the rest of us we should hold them all to account, not just the side we don't generally vote for.

R0bert

Totally agree TRTL. Rudd is going to come out of this looking good while Howard’s apparent invulnerability has been well and truly fractured.

As much as I detest Keating, his comments on this matter seemed to be pretty spot-on. Especially is words to the effect of; ‘who cares about a meeting with Brian Burke. I mean, Brian who??’

As Kevin Rudd keeps repeating; let’s get away from the stupid personal stuff and onto the issues that really matter.

Hang on here a minute, is this the same Kevin Rudd who uses his father’s death, and to create sympathy, then lies about the cause of his father’s sad demise, just to get on the Misery train?

Let me explain, A Falk in the road of Rudd’s psychology is to claim his father’s death was the responsibility of the Hospital and the medical system;

Unfortunately for a Falk in the road Rudd seemed to miss is the pathology report and witness statements attribute Kevin’s Fathers demise was due to the over abundance of alcohol and sleep whilst driving.

Yes Australia should be worried; at least Mark Latham only placed a caveat on his mother’s house to prevent her from selling it.

Something about Labor aspiring Prime ministers; What ever it takes.

Bring on that Royal Commisssion; lets “LOBBY” for it.

Why did the WA government sack their members, must have been all bull as dear ole kr is still standing, must be standing for the labor and union way of coruption and deciet

Well lets keep going i went to look at labors veteran affairs policy, clicked on veteran affairs policy and what did i find a speech, no policy.

Same with education nice glossy book withs pics and tables but no policy.

So for labor what is policy or is it we wont tell them that way we can scr#w them later.

Have a look for yourselves for real policy's
and if you find them let me know, not speeches, but policy what they are going to do.

www.tapp.org.au

I realise kevin Rudd wasnt 100% correct on his fathers demise, but remember that he was 11 at the time. You tend to go off what you know. He could have pulled just as big a sympathy factor and got another policy footing had he known and communicated publicly that his father died due to driving while drunk. So, given that he would have got the sympathy vote anyway, I am inclined to think that he truly never read the coroners report, and gave what he thought to be the truth of the situation.

"Meetings with disgraced Ministers. Who cares?" asks TurnLeftTurnRight.

This is the type of complacency on morals and ethics, where we will reap what we sow.

Ministers consorting with ex gaol birds is no longer considered unethical.

And the status quo will continue to profit a few and the constituents who put these thugs into parliament will continue to be ignored.

Since all heads of Departments of Environment and the EPA (WA) are under investigation for colluding with industry lobbyists, one needs to ask how on earth can you lobby against an environmental assessment? These assessments are scientific and should be assessed without influence, to protect the environment and communities from industrial fall-out.

Industry lobbyists have influenced cabinet members on these decisions where community appeals have been ignored and heads of department, unbelievably defend pollutant industries. Therefore,the environment and taxpayers have suffered greatly to the benefit of the industry barons.

Lobbying on environmental issues should be prohibited.

One need not look far to see that the ecology has been seriously degraded as a result of unethical decisions made by senior bureaucrats and their ministers whose self-interests are paramount.

And the sheep will return these crooks to parliament in future elections. Who cares - no worries, mate!

All

If you took the time to read the coroners report it states the cause of death was peritonitis, ie Abdominal Sepsis.

Given that this is fatal is less than 10% of patients and only then when antibiotics are not given in time. One could assume that because he was already in hospital Kevin Rudd's father should not have died of a hospital induced sepsis.

But hey who cares, he will be our next Prime Minister and I wonder how many skeletons will be unearthed about the economic miracle con job that the Libs have been bullsh8ting about for years.

I can almost hear the shredders warming up. :)

Good effort, dickie.

>>This is the type of complacency on morals and ethics, where we will reap what we sow.
Ministers consorting with ex gaol birds is no longer considered unethical.<<

Tell me, where do place the AWB saga on your scale of morals and ethics?

Where, then, do you place the AWB principals on this scale of morals and ethics?

And having done that, what action would you propose to take against any government minister who has had lunch with one of those principals?

Is there in fact a great deal of difference, morally and ethically speaking, between an ex-gaol bird and one who is yet to be convicted?

Legally, of course, there is a huge difference. But we are just talking morals and ethics here, aren't we?

Pericles

The AWB in my opinion was just another intimate gentlemen's club where the code of ethical business conduct and adherence to the financial and trade sanctions was the last thing on their minds. The saga is now another shameful part of history where the federal government failed to take action. And wasn't Mr Flugge the gentleman employed for a $1 million to stamp out corruption in Iraq?

The masses may be forgiven once for allowing themselves to be duped. When corruption in governments occurs a second time with the same players, then we, the masses, are indeed an ill-informed lot.

The tentacles of Burke and Grill in WA have not only permeated every industry type in WA including commercial and industrial property development, the hazardous waste industry and mining to name a few but their connections are now having ramifications for federal politicians whose protests are a repeat of the "school boys" protests we've recently had in WA - "Wasn't me Miss - I didn't do it!"

These industry lobbyists have again been permitted to arrogantly strut our corridors of parliament, dangling carrots and colluding with ministers for personal gain.

During the WA Inc. days, Mr Burke's brother, Terry was paid a "commission" of $600,000; his secretary a fee of $55,000 for "special consultations" and Mr Burke kept $100,000 in cash,in his office for "stamp" costs. That whole sorry saga saw the WA taxpayers cough up $30 million including legal costs for Mr Burke and his deputy premier.

And here we are in 2007, same government, same players offering personal bribes and rewards to ministers and bureaucrats, now resulting in the taxpayers having to again meet the costs of the Corruption and Crime Commission's investigations.

Sure, there is nothing outwardly unlawful for ministers to lunch with members of any fraternity which begs the question: "Why are these meetings conducted in a covert fashion and not officially documented by ministers and bureaucrats and why aren't community groups afforded the same privileges?"

Just appearing respectable is no longer a guarantee of honesty.

Gday Steve, No I must say I was never privy to the coroner’s report, so I’ll accept that uppercut. BUT;
I see some fantasies drifting into the horizon when you claim Labor will become the next power broker of this once great nation; Lets hope for National sake that it will never happen.

I don’t know how close to the Government Budget projections figures you are, But if Political circles were for real, I have to know why Labor- Greens – Democrats have never made mention that the “ Supposed Surpluses the government claims?
Or are indeed deficits; if my summary is correct, the government has missed Budget figures by at least between 14 to 19 billion dollars, and they still have 14 billion surplus?
When according to projected figures it ought to be @28 Billion plus.

All that tells you is how much the public is being robbed

So what economic management is it when your figures are out by 18 odd Billion, and why has there not been any other political party; not said- Mention- Questioned- No, nothing but silence about this gaping whole in Looted Funds?

I will let you in a secret, Governments do not actually set Economic terms, People do. Governments only loot the recourses of those people and produce nothing but parasites.
Labor has been in the Looting game for far too long, and has a very extensive( Expensive) congo line of Parasites. I should also mention the political corruption is but criminal in all fronts.

A royal Commission and nothing less.

When you say Bourke I assume you mean the Former Prime Minister Bourke who was the first PM to lose his seat in an election: 1929. I wonder if Maxine is still getting those death threats? So did Andrew Wilkie when he had the gall to run against Howard.

This is how the liberals operate. They are no angels, but they manage to put on their white gloves to cover the blood on their hands.

There are mirrors here where mud is flying back with karmic forces. People are not doing their homework.

All that thuggery over what? A lunch that even Ministers in this Governemt went to, and others invested money with Bourke as well.

So Costello has never been ruthless and gratuitous in his hunger for power? Last year he orchestrated a fine back stabbing to the PM wanting his position with great hunger. He has been steaming in Parliament in sour grapes ever since. Now suddenly, old grumpy wakes up, projects his greed for power to the other side of the House, screaming like a psychopath in shrieks and snarls, that Rudd has a greed for power.

Only a power hungry bastard would know how a power hungry bastard operates. Indeed, Costello is the expert on this topic. Just as this Government is the expert in corruption. They should know with their reputation.

So you want a Royal Commission? Politics has been above corruption since when?

Rememember remember V for Vandetta: the film. What was the line? Oh yes. Who do you have to blame? How did this come to this? How did this happen? All you have to do is look in the mirror. You voted for John Howard because you were too affraid not to and you dare not ask why.

A Royal Commission indeed!

If you want justice, do it in the ballot and think carefully. If you don't trust the major parties, don't vote for them. Look at all your options. The responsibility is yours, not the Crown.

I too am from the ALP camp always but I follow my NRL team too and both my party and my team get it in the neck if I think it is needed.
We are indeed the lucky country we can fight out our differences and after voting have a beer together, that is indeed luck.
But can I ask conservative voters given the state of the nation all states in ALP hands sometimes elections won despite unflattering performances could it be true this play the man tactic is proof of a deeper illness?
If ,and it looks clearly on the cards, Labor wins NSW and the federal election, your movements highest position in Australian politics will be lord mayor of somewhere or other.
Is it time for a re look at the path of conservatism in Australia?

Rudd had dinner with Burke in a prominent Perth restaraunt.
Also present were up to a dozen prominent people from both sides of the political spectrum. Hardly a venue or setting for a bit of skullduggery.
Now , can somebody tell me where Howard had his Nuclear discussion with Walker,DeCrispypants et al?

Dickie - my point isn't necessarily that I don't care, because I for one, do. It is that the electorate won't.

I do feel however, that it is a bit rich for the Howard government to be banging on about this issue when their hands are just as dirty. I would certainly choose Rudd over Howard if the issue is accountability, though neither give me much hope.

While to an extent they are as jaded as you fear, I think the more relevant view is that issues such as AWB have highlighted that it is hypocritical for the Howard Government to use this as an attack platform.

Touche! TurnLeftThenTurnRight

And the totalitarian actions of the federal government may soon restrict even these online forums where posters are encouraged to speak the truth - albeit as they see it.

Peter Costello on 22/2/07 announced extraordinary moves to gag activists where the ACCC, on behalf of farmers and other primary producers will get unprecedented powers to sue environmentalists, unionists and animal right activists.

Those activists could include the Wilderness Society, Greenpeace and the Rainforest Action Networks.

There are already laws in place for defamation cases where victims can sue those whose allegations are false.

We saw this with the timber giant company, Gunns' unsuccessful defamation case to sue for $8 million and discredit activists protesting at this company's operations. Gunns is a big donor to the Liberal Party.

Gunns lost the case. One can only assume that the courts realised that these activists had spoken the truth.

The truth, it appears, will not be relevant in the new ACCC laws where anyone who protests against the often appalling operations of these industries will be sued regardless of the facts and Australian farmers will be protected from the boycott.

And so the degradation of our already fragile environment will continue as will the legalised torture of factory farmed animals.

Those concerned with this proposed legislation, should seek an opinion from Labor candidates prior to the next election. I suspect they too, will regard these concerns as frivolous and remain silent in an endeavour to strengthen their own control of the gullible masses

What the people should be doing is asking TAPP
The Australian peoples Party but that is a choice that they have and when they realise that this is not spin or bull but about the people then we can realy make a difference to this cartel and fight for that which is required and not just we said.

My word is just they we will with no spin and full disclosure to the people, as that is who we are.
You can keep complaining or start to stand and make a better choice.

www.tapp.org.au

Another small party holds no hope for Australian voters, and for the party its self.
Further fragmentation of power only wastes both votes and effort.
Within the party's that share the two party preferred vote room exists for all views.
The impending rush away from the brand of conservatism embraced by Howard is likely to see some more small party's in the house and no difference in results.
I am yet to hear from concerned conservatives at the reality of the abyss that conservatives are facing, a new direction? or maybe a new party? it is a possibility we may see a new conservative party if this one can not change direction.

Actually Belly, I think the fragementation of power will help immensely - though I think you're right in that more parties aren't the solution.

I'd bet all parties start out with well meaning people with the best of intentions. Unfortunately, that will always change over time as new people enter the fold.

The solution? More indepedents, not political parties. That's what the idea of democracy was based on.

You can give an acknowledgment to avoid spin, but like it or not, that would eventually be taken out of your hands as the bureacracy takes over.

You can then pledge to limit bureacracy - but bureaucracy doesn't just stifle progress, it also puts a check on the abuse of power.

Sorry tapp. Your party could start out well meaning, but within a few decades it would either be like the other parties, or would perish.

You're better off promoting more independents.

This may just be a small party about choice but if you have a small earthquake this can turn out to be a tsunami.
So you are thinking small without choice and me i am giving you choice than the lies,coruption, and backroom deals,branch stacking and whats that otherone pedophiles, so it seems change is needed as complaisancy has set in with rot and until this rot goes you get these people making deals at the interest of their own and not the people.

If you also had taken the time to read the constitution about candidates one would see this is no ordinary party.

tapp - I'll concede I didn't read the constitution. I did have a bit of a look at the immigration policies (a hot topic right now) but that was about it.

A constitution is all well and good, but can you honestly tell me that your party would never stray from its ideals like all other political parties seem to do?
How can you offer an assurance that future members of the party will all be upstanding people that genuinely represent the party?

Matters such as these are less pronounced with independents, as people are voting for the person and what they stand for - not along party lines.

I am ex army med discharged

to many a soldiers word is firm and you have my word.
Maybe you should ask the diggers what their word is worth.

You can either take my word or not that is up to you.

I am not rich like many of these pollies but since i am from the people put my ar#se on the line for my country then the respect for the people and this nation i have, it is about time when somebody says he is going to do something he does it and this party is we will not we will give you the spin.

I dont care if anyone from this party gets in, its about who we are and what we need to achieve for not only this nation but for ourselves the people. You want me to lie to you its not going to happen, and i will not accept any candidates doing anything that will bring this party and its people disrespect.

tapp - you misunderstand me.

I don't doubt you would live up to your word, though the problem is that you can't give your word on behalf of those that will follow you.
It isn't your word I question - as I mentioned before, I think the majority of people who start up political parties have good intentions.

The reason why I favour independents, is due to the fact that they don't profess to be a long term institution.
They will come and go, and with each independent you get a whole new ball game.
The public doesn't get the chance to vote on background policy discussion, and they certainly didn't vote on the degradation of standards in the major political parties (though to be fair, I suspect accountability always has been an issue for Australian governments at all levels).

We do get to vote on independents however and in doing so we are avoiding those aspects of... I suppose 'political reality' is the term.

This would be the same as voting for a newly formed party, though given enough time and new leaders at the helm, that would eventually cease to be the case.

To stray from what is written in the constitution requires a large agreement but them this would alter the partys ethics.
So really it comes down to the independance of the candidates, who would be just like independants but within a group, i dont like that word party as the others have given it the effect of do as we say and that is not what it is about.

If i remember correctly the constitution gives the right to kick those out who do not agree such as disagreeing and standing and not following,but to voice those concerns, and when you get more that voice those same concerns that one that disagrees is not bullied but asked as to why for their point of view.

Sometimes it takes just one person looking from outside of the circle who sees the real issue and problem and to have people follow a party line is undemocratic.

So even within this structure choice is essential.
That is why we are after normal people for the job as it is these people that see the picture for what it is and what needs to be done.

When we get this they are from the community and not just someone moved in to get votes for just the party.

Its about the community and its issues and you will find that even some issues will differ , many will be the same an agreement after the discussion will be made.

Stu

I see your tapp forum has a whopping 5 members. Only 495 to go until you can call yourselves a party.

Good luck on your party Tapp. I'm sure you have the best intentions and as a military man and you stand on your honour. A digger stands for the underdog.

So easy to send troops to war if you have never smelt the stench of death. Only a soldier or someone on the front line knows this.

None of us are "chocos", yet we are still treated like "chocos" in everyday life. Some of us have forgotten what "ANZAC" means. This is demonstrated in how cheap life has become, yet how expensive the cost of living tips the balance.

Thank God for Tim Tams. Hrumph!

Tapp your reference to one who sexually offends against children be littles you.
Without doubt no political party that ever existed in this country would not uncover such a person.
We in debate surely should refrain from such taunts against the whole for perceived crimes of some.
How can you expect support if you play such unfair and unwarranted games?
Is it not dishonest with intent to do so?
Strong rumors have it we may see another small party ofter the federal poll, 8 to 15 from within this government are said to be considering a new conservative party, one that may well not stay small for long.

Now lets see Steve as you may not have guessed it is a forum and just that, this does not reflect the true member count.

And belly if it takes some of us to remind you lot about what our polititions think of us and our country then we will show you how much they disrespect us.

Yes corruption
Yes deciet
Yes to pediphiles

so the problem for you seems to be the truth.

Ah Tapp since you are intent on getting into politics let me tell you a few things.
First we you and I must respect this forum, some very good sites have gone because of fears of litigation.
So within the bounds of law here is what I think only about the party I am a proud member of.
The NSW ALP has a few within who let the party down, like most of my mob I am ashamed of them.
ONE not yet proved, crime you describe is so shameful it is beyond shame ,however Tapp can you blame the party for a few?
Are you saying in every party the whole must take the blame for acts of a few?This federal government would have fallen in its first term.
Your 4 man/woman team is it so holy that it could never happen to you?
Tapp your post gives reason to ask you are you and your party anchored in the real world?
Do you have policy's other than insulting every other party?
Are you aware how many need to vote for your party to get just your money back?
One the evidence you present here if it was voting day and only your party stood I would vote informal for the first time in my life.

Thats good to see that you would vote informal.
Did you vote informal on the centenary house affair, maybe not.

One should ask have you even bothered
Have you read labors Veteran Affairs policy, i guess not as this is only a speech and no policy.
One would have to ask why i have formed this party and why the disrespect i carry for the unions as they have forgotten the people, except when it is conveneint for them.
One may ask what would i know about unions, that would be enough, why should i tell you my story when you cant be bothered.

I remember labor changed compo
labor scr#wed the defence
labor scr#wed the veterans
labor scr#wed the people
the recession we had to have.
i wonder how that pm went with his investments.

Lets look at the states wingeing about privatisation job losses.
oh hang they keep selling of public utilities who where run by the public sector.
Maybe you can tell us when NSW will sell the country link rail network as they have already sold off freight.
More public jobs going.

So where is it vote labor i dont care, with complaicancy comes dictatorship, and obedience to your masters.

Tapp once more you seem intent on driving votes away from your new party not winning them.
No party ever can be all things to all people, that is in government a party must rule as it sees best for all .
Yes if we farm all party's we will find sins that make our skin crawl, we will find some things to complain about that is for sure.
You find no good? can you think your tilt at politics is other a bit far fetched?
Your must understand this thread seems to have more contributing to it who think playing the man not the policy's is wrong.
And it would surprise you to know how many rank and file from the about to be returned NSW ALP say it in writing to the party.
Please read this line again, the party will be returned by the voters.
Is that not a question for every conservative[and small party ] follower in Australia?
Is it not true conservatism has lost its base?
Do you think waiting until Howard is unseated to ask this question is wise?
Has your one man band any plans that impact on a new conservative party?

Belly you still dont get it

This party is about getting things done
if you cannot face facts well thats your problem.

This party is about fixing the problems no matter if it is a safe seat or marginal.

why
because it is the right thing to do for the people
it is out of respect for the people

both of these are what the majors do not have only the right thing for themselves and respect for themselves.

So you vote your same old way.If you want to solve and fix the problems
for instance explain why the education are still fighting for our children in state schools
Why do schools have demountables,cost cutting or is it good for business,labors business

So you want to play obviously one of these people that believe parliament question time is playtime and not for answering to the people.

change is needed and will come, the people are not as obedient as you want them to be.

But tapp... his point is that a party cannot be all things to all people, and cannot simply be about trashing the major parties - your posts are so charged with negative rhetoric about the other parties that they end up sounding destructive, instead of constructive.

Here's a few quick questions for you:

-How would you tackle the skills shortage?
-Abortion - what's your stance?
-Welfare: how do you plan to keep unemployment low? what of welfare payments? who qualifies? What do you do to people who don't meet the requirements?
-What do you plan to do about Australia's ageing population? I see your migration policy mentions being choosy about who is let in, but what is the solution to the fact that there will soon be a record number of elderly compared to those in the workforce.

Here's a few quick questions for you:

-How would you tackle the skills shortage?
Ok even i cant click my fingers on this one ,but whats wrong with apprentaships,work training, remember when bosses used to train people.

-Abortion - what's your stance?
Well this is easy, Religion and politics should be kept seperate and have said this in tapps constitution. Since i am a bloke realy it is not up to me or government to dictacte to women on this subject.

-Welfare: how do you plan to keep unemployment low? what of welfare payments? who qualifies? What do you do to people who don't meet the requirements?
With this reduction or actually a halt on immigration and reinvigerate Australian Product.

-What do you plan to do about Australia's ageing population? I see your migration policy mentions being choosy about who is let in, but what is the solution to the fact that there will soon be a record number of elderly compared to those in the workforce.
This is realy easy as you have overlooked the aged and disabled care policy and disability policy, they are there.

Due to my passion when someone says they would prefer the choice that they would take and is quite obvious what they have been up to then ill get angry.
I have also been on the otherside of bully tackticts so to remind the people sometimes when they are telling how good the party is , a reminder that they realy arent that good, some maybe but hey can you say with hand on your heart that they didnt know.

This will be my last post for the period so catch you all tommorrow.

I don't think anyone can say "they will be elected back". Assume this and you will be in "Don's Party". Remember that film with Graham Kenedy?

I would never underestimate Australian voters, they are really not that predictable. Does the NSW ALP honestly believe that the election is definitely a forgone conclusion?

Looking at this objectively, this attitude could be the ALP's achilles heal. Voters here don't like being taken for granted.

It is amazing what a difference a week makes in polling. It is just a matter of timing for spin doctors and the media.

Tapp you really do need to control your outbursts Sir.
Over and again you insult me and those who vote as I do by references to our master.
Can you understand voters are involved in making their own choice?
That I am no blind voter? Those polls , you know the ones saying the NSW election is over, the ones saying Howard and his hit team have got it wrong?
Lets be honest 3 months prior to the last election I informed all who would listen Latham was head lemming, that the ALP was facing a landslide, my party.
After most told me we had not been beaten the voters got it wrong!
I am pleased to see that same insanity in the conservative side now.
You insult and fail totally to put policy on the table.
I am a realist you can learn much from this way of thinking, get involved in mainstream politics .
After the election your side the conservatives will need brick layers to rebuild .
John Howard in his last months as leader will one day be known for his total failure to use his massive mandate other than as a weapon against half of Australia.

You insult and fail totally to put policy on the table.
Oh belly i have put policy on the table but where is labors, you compain about me or is it that even though the polling is 2 party prefered this takes no other parties into account.
So belly i have said it is posted on tapps website you are obviously too lazy or wish to bully me about them. I know they are there, so do many others.

I am a realist you can learn much from this way of thinking, get involved in mainstream politics .
If you are a realist you would have reed my policies instead of dening them.
This party is the choice party and nothing else unless of course the labor party is realy the communist party. You will either refer to Tapp as such and i will give that consideration to Labor. John howard,labor,greens,democrats,family first i dont realy care i will vote independant which i have a choice.

After the election your side the conservatives will need brick layers to rebuild .

So since you wish to bully me why dont you take the time to see real policies not just a load of spin, something with a bit of guts to it and not just cr#p.

NOW IF YOU FOLLOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS YOU WILL FIND THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLES PARTY WEBSITE OK.

GO TO www.tapp.org.au

THEN CLICK ON POLICY

THEN CLICK ON WHICH EVER POLICY YOU WOULD LIKE TO VIEW

On the evidence you provide in your posts Tapp I have no need to see your policy's.
Communist? are you saying Australia in every state has elected a communist government?
Rather than conservative?
I know no greater evil exists in world politics than the extremes communism, and the current extreme right that is for a short time in control in America and Australia.
Your hostile insults are no way to bring voters to your side.
Just look at the problem Howard's has got himself in with such tactics.
You put words in my mouth and thoughts in my head that are yours not mine.
I rebut your claims not attack you.
communism is my enemy and it has zero hold in Australian politics.
Mate again is it the voters right to vote as they wish?
Or do you blame them for thinking in ways other than you?
The incoming Labor government will be democracy at work, no better system is yet in sight.
review your posts and mine, tell me how you would vote and be honest.
each of us has an opinion but sometimes each of us is wrong.