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No 'Hoodies' In Wynnum Retail Shops

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Crazy idea if you ask me. Robbers will just wear something else, like over-sized fake glasses with a funny nose and a beanie.

Seems to me they tried the no head coverings idea on for a bit and wandered into the big scary muslim debate.

What do you guys think, a step in the right direction, or fundamentally flawed with obvious spatterings of ridiculousness?
Posted by StG, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 7:03:46 PM
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Well, the people wearing the hoodies don't show their hair colour/type on CCTV video footage, so I guess they could be less likely to be caught if they shoplifted.
If people want to shop in Wynnum shops, then I guess they will have to pull their hood down while in there.
Why would they want them up inside a warm store anyway, unless they were up to no good?
Posted by suzeonline, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 10:30:53 PM
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Sorry but I have never seen a single person wearing a hoody I trusted.
In some parts of Sydney, black clothing is another sign, that says watch out.
For the same reason bike helmets and Muslim head covers should not be warn in such places I agree with the ban.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 30 June 2011 5:33:47 AM
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For some the hoodie is a fashion statment, goes with the slumped shoulders and pants down. The I'm not really part of this look.

I wear one sometimes in a cold breeze but not for fashion and not into shops etc.

The hoodie can hide the face from most angles, eg the face does not show on security camera's from those angles and with it pulled forward from almost every angle. I get the impression that they are becoming pretty common in Qld's spate of armed holdups (sorry there is no spate of armed holdup's, move along nothing to see here).

Starting the trial in winter may not be the smartest time, probably be better to have done it in warmer weather but with the recent death of a policeman public sympathy might be a bit higher than normal at the moment.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Thursday, 30 June 2011 6:38:22 AM
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If it's just a requirement to keep the hood down while in the shopping centre, I don't see any problem at all. However, if they try to ban the wearing of the whole garment, then they're going too far.

I'd be banned today, because it's just the sort of day when I'm likely to wear my hoodie when I go into town shopping later. It's blowing a gale and freezing cold, and it's not just young people who wear hoodies.

Belly old mate, you ought to know by now that you can't judge a book by its cover :)
Posted by morganzola, Thursday, 30 June 2011 8:14:02 AM
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Yea, lets all wear bike helmets, body armor, & carry a six gun on our hip. It should not be only the misfits who can do what they like.

Morganzola, you must spend an awful lot of time reading the first 20 pages of some pretty lousy books, if you can't tell anything by the cover. I knew, just by seeing them on TV that Gillard & Rudd were both a waste of space. Of course they were pretty obvious, if you bothered to look.

Just for you, character recognition 101.

That bloke in the grey suite & tie is very unlikely to stick a weapon in your face & rob you. If he's going to rob you he'll do it with a keyboard. Most like a bureaucrat.

That one in the work clothes, & the hi vis shirt is also unlikely to mug you in the street. Just be careful to read his, or his bosses quote carefully, & the bill when you get it.

That one in the hoodie may just be an eccentric, but if there are a few together, dressed very similarly, they are probably already ripping you off through centre link, so may not bother you again. However, they are opportunists, so don't go into any dark allays when they are about.

Hope this helps you in future.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 30 June 2011 9:33:57 AM
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We've been down this road before.

http://www.abc.net.au/btn/story/s2364687.htm

And I'm sure we'll go down it again.

Calling it a "hoodie ban" is a mistake. As is the term "burka ban".

Put them in the one single category, along with bike helmets etc. as "inappropriate face-covering in a security area", and describe it to the world as a straightforward security measure. Singling out teenagers or Muslim women distorts what is a simple issue into a form of personal attack.

When will we learn.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 30 June 2011 9:36:00 AM
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So I should't be allowed to wear my hoodie, Hasbeen? Perhaps I should return it to the shop where I bought it... Better still, ban them from selling them!

On second thoughts, I'll wear my hoodie because it's an eminently sensible garment to wear in this weather (currently 10 degrees and blowing a gale). Of course I'll put the hood down when I'm in the supermarket or bank, and I shall ignore entirely the paranoid delusions of people who want to dictate what I wear, or whose attitudes to others are proudly based on stereotypes.

And yes, I've started many books and given up on them after a chapter or two. However, I've read many, many more in their entirety. Believe it or not, many of those books contained information and insights that I hadn't thought of before!
Posted by morganzola, Thursday, 30 June 2011 10:09:09 AM
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If Pericles you wish to infer racism every time you get a chance do so.
I actually agree with Morgonzola, common sense demands we not say they should not be sold/bought/or used.
But they are what they are, as well as a useful item of clothing they hide very well face, weapons and shop lifters goods.
Frankly, you seem blind to the people, hearts beating in fear, who work in banks and places subject to hold ups even murders .
I am strongly for their rights and as for your Muslim wearers of full face clothing , obey our laws.
So I plead guilty to your version of racism.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 30 June 2011 11:55:08 AM
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Morganz if you want to come that, "the shop sold it" bit, you had better get used to my next door neighbour smoking in the supermarket. It is the same argument he uses when complaining about restrictions on him, & his cigarettes.

Mate, please wear what you like. It does make it easier to slip you into the correct pigeonhole, with out too much effort.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 30 June 2011 12:18:57 PM
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I understand that the shops in question are privately owned.
In that case, unlike in public places, there is nothing wrong with the owners dictating their conditions for entry.
Don't like it - don't shop there.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 30 June 2011 1:09:14 PM
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Hasbeen, if you can't see how silly your argument is, nothing I could say can help you.

I'm surprised actually, I thought you were reasonably intelligent. Not to mention polite - your attempts to be snide demean you. Surely you can debate a subject like this without getting personally insulting?

I can only conclude that there is something else going on here. Have you personally been attacked by someone wearing a hoodie or something?
Posted by morganzola, Thursday, 30 June 2011 8:57:08 PM
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Put them in the one single category,

Pericles,
Right on the nail !
Posted by individual, Friday, 1 July 2011 10:17:45 AM
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/police-get-legal-lift-on-burqa-removal/story-e6freuzr-1226085904725
Surely the matter is settled, but it does not in this case say not to be worn in such places.
It will.
Only time separates us from some one, who may well not be a Muslim, doing an armed hold up while dressed as such.
Just simple truth.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 2 July 2011 4:52:20 AM
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