Sonofgloin,

I did not mention "culture". I care for individuals, not for cultures.

The lady had a principle (in this particular case, the principle was that she must not expose her face where men are present) - and the police demanded that she break it. That's all that counts!
How she acquired this principle is none of anyone else's business and if it happened to be a matter of culture, then so be it.

Further down the line however, she did not behave as a lady - she broke her own principle then blamed somebody else for that, which could have gotten an innocent person in big trouble had her version of events been believed. There is no hiding under "culture" for such despicable behaviour.

Well Sonofgloin:

… why don’t the Police deal with this issue themselves, since it is an issue of law and order already under Police control; Police have the legal right to insist on “proof of identity”, under the circumstances of this event (see my post above), the law is currently in place to back them up. I mean to say, we are all pretty inclined to blame everyone outside of the real culprit here; that is the Police themselves. It follows naturally then, this whole event was the creation of ineffectual policing and should never have made home base as an issue, as it eventually did; you would have to agree.

Female officers can look at these women. Why not just hold her there till a chick copper rocked up? Anyway, these people who fly the flag of fundamentalism love a fight and that judge - typically - gave them a supposed win. I don't care if they wear the burqa in the street. I see them all day and couldn't care less, but I do care about them wearing where there's apparent security issues such as in banks. The head scarf - hijab? - is a non-issue.

I believe the VAST majority of people believe the issue with the burqa is a security/safety issue. The feminist issue is something COMPLETELY different for most people. In regards to that, if they want liberation from antiquated dark age-esque beliefs, let them ask for it. Nut up and fight your own fight. Many will back you.

Yuyutsu, I would have thought that any technology that allows a man to see underneath a woman's clothing would be much more offensive to a muslim than revealing a face. I find this statement of yours hard to understand.

Belly, I can sympathise with why you have the opinion that you do, based on your experience. One thing to keep in mind from that though is that youth of any race or creed will do their best to justify their behaviour and blame someone else. "Racist" was just the most convenient label they could think up (doesnt show much intelligence I agree). Its not that different to those that look down their noses at women, or aboriginies, or poms or irish.

Csteele, the use of a fingerprint is a remarkably sensible suggestion. Give people a number of ways that they can identify themselves quickly and easily. They can choose. If they choose none = no licence. No doubt there would be outcry about police having a record of fingerprints of "innocent" people, but hey, have a few options and choose one or none. I like it!

Ammonite I agree totally with you on this.
ALL religion is fraud.
Once I could understand things like tax breaks,Glebes for C of E special laws .
But, csteel is on almost every issue fire to my water, I doubt she cares as much for majority's rights, if at all, as she does for such as this trouble maker.
I saw in the link I read a woman who is nothing but a trouble maker, supported by trouble makers.
Muslim men, a long time ago, put women in burkas for reasons other than keeping sand out of they eyes.
No woman should be treated like these men some of them treat them..

Dear Country Gal,

I've got to admit I think that csteele's finger-print suggestion is an
excellent one. Either that or call fro a female police officer to come by (might be a cheaper option). There are ways of getting around
any situation, if one is properly trained in advance. Perhaps this could be something the police force needs to look at - and prepare their officer for in the future because I'm sure this problem is going to come up again. Might be worth investigating and saving themselves future problems.