diver Dan while understanding what you are say I can not agree.
I think our system of law and order is and always will be flawed.
California, has a population much bigger than us.
Its prisons, not unlike ours have larger numbers of some profiles because they commit more crimes,and can not afford slick lawyers.
Now lets sit in our minds haveing a beer that night in that pub, I have a few times.
Young cop had spoken to a , sorry in my view ego driven trouble maker with no respect for anyone.
But not on that night.
He was having a beer with a work mate.
I do not want to revisit his death,the brutality hate gutlessness.
Just think, if he was your son.
Brother
Father
Forgive me,I live within bounds, never king hit, never start a fight, bit I know what happened that night and in the courts.
I do not think life should always be life.
But guilty should not go free only because or courts have idiots on the bench, and they do.

I might be able to agree with you diver dan, but only when we get to elect our judges, & they are only elected for 3 years. With the present system it is always the worst who stay for too long, right into their dotage.

Having to ask for our vote should get a little much needed humility into their heads, & cause them to pay some attention to the public's wishes.

Hi Belly...

Unfortunately the judiciary believe that we the general public are NOT in a position to fairly determine the most appropriate punishment that a convicted individual should receive.

Further, they claim (rightly in my opinion) that we the public, are not in possession of all the facts, in order that we may establish the TRUE culpability of the convicted person.

By that, I mean matters associated with issues of mitigation, criminal responsibility and capacity, criminal antecedents, demography matters and other considerations that are generally within the exclusive purview or aegis of the bench.

Issues of 'emotion' rarely if ever influence the judiciary in determining (severity in) punishment. If they did, the appellate protocols would necessarily, be in overdrive !

O sung wo:

...On the influence of emotion on judicious outcomes to sentencing, o sung wo, our paths converge. It is a misconception to which the public, due to ignorance of the role of the judge in his day to day duty, often labour under: To believe the Judiciary should fall into line with public hysteria in regulating outcomes to heinous crimes. But public opinion is, none the less, certainly a sensitive issue to the Judiciary: One which is considered.

...Unfortunately, “Hasbeen” demonstrates the need for the public to be excluded from the debate on crime and punishment. Howards political incursion into calamitous changes to gun laws following the Port Arthur massacre, adds the highlight to draconian changes to the law by politicians pandering to the public sentiment for political gain. One could argue, the American reluctance to change laws relating to gun ownership, is equally politically motivated, giving a reverse outcome to our own.

...Belly, sorry old mate, but your approach to lynching as retribution for such crimes as these, would land you in front of the judge for the same reason as the perpetrator of the crime in question. At that point you would be arguing before the judge the justification of your act, and why you felt emotionally motivated to take the law into your own hands. Jails are half full of people that took the law into their own hands. There would be little mercy for you, however much you expected it.

Mandatory life term for cop killers......well IMO, its a No-brainier. Why is this even a point of discussion?

By definitional understandings for the absolute point of order with-in front line solders, this takes the capital stance of what ( we all well know ) that should be.

Discussions on human-nature are well documented, not the time or the place.......or, are ideas planted by our discussions? Law is here for one reason, and for one reason only.

There is no such thing as police corruption.

LEA

Sorry diver Dan, get yourself back on track.
Not only are you putting words in my mouth you are being inventive.
NEVER said I wanted to Lynch anyone, never thought it said it ok?
Do you know about the public butchering of that young man?
Do you know about the sentences handed down.
Can you see my posts clearly say no life sentencing.
If no police walked our streets would you.
Is being a cop reason to be MURDERED.
Dan, mate, if he was your son, well Lynch was used in a silly way and you need to think about it.