Thinker 2 and Ludwig,

Meh, you're both living in conspiracy theorist lala-land. Can't be bothered with that.

<< All life is precious, and in my view unless there's significant mitigation, all capital crime should attract mandatory life. >>

Fair enough o sung wu.

The important thing is that it should be uniform across society and NOT different and harsher where it concerns the police.

<< Meh, you're both living in conspiracy theorist lala-land. Can't be bothered with that. >>

No StG, we are living in the real world. You can’t dismiss us that easily.

The police are no angels. While I presume most are good, there are real problems, not just with some individuals but with some aspects of the police ‘culture’. We only need to look at Palm Island to see that, or the problems with the police that we’ve seen in the media, in Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria… over recent years.

I agree there Ludwig, the punishment should be the same for the same crime. More importantly, those who commit these crimes should be kept out of society, until they are too damn old to be dangerous.

Yes o sung wu, our society does appear to be in terminal decline. I believe only a major catastrophe, which brought us back to doing real work to survive will fix that. I find it ridiculous that you see couples struggling under the cost of a huge mcmansion, & a couple of prestige cars, when a simple cottage will keep you just as warm & dry, & small cars are just as likely to start when you need them.

It reminds me of that overcrowding experiment with lab rats. In a large cage they supplied everything the rats could require, but kept increasing the number in the cage. At a certain level of rats they started attacking, & killing each other, although they had everything they needed in abundance. This effect was repeatable.

Tends to match what we see in our larger cities today, & add a few strings to Ludwig's bow.

A side light on that experiment was the nutrition experiment they conducted simultaneously.

They fed 2 propriety breakfast cereals to 2 groups of rats,& a control group were fed on the packets the cereals came in. Would it surprise anyone to know that the control group thrived, but those on the cereals died of malnutrition

o sung wu I am far from a crawler.
Have head butted some in your former roll.
But every horrible detail of that young mans death is in my memory always.
He was from a police intergenerational family.
A constable out there hurting no one his murder was as bad as any I ever heard of.
You touch on the real problem.
How many of us doubt, very real foolishness passes for judgment in our legal system.
In my state,not one but two who hand down judgments are under investigation,for being mentally unfit to continue working!
I ask why we can not restructure punishment for all crime,set minimum and maximums that have room for variations.
And answer my own question, concerns at the costs of imprisonment is weighing down court rulings here and in the western world,see California's orders to reduce prisoner numbers.
We ,every one of us,should take the time to read about the savage inhuman death of this young man and ask why is or law and order in need of help.
Criminals with money should pay for their own prison terms.

Belly:

…Society is regulated on a code of morals. The code of morals is attended to by the justice system, and must be kept robust and independent of common emotional events such as this. Young Carthys brutal death is sadly all too common in society generally. Often this type of brutality is exercised on women in situations of domestic violence for example: In recent times we have become aware, through news bulletins, the brutal murders of women and children; one child thrown to its death from a bridge in Melbourne by her Father.

…The emotional responses to these events are to be resisted, and not allowed to become a compounding legacy of the violence through “draconianism”. Just as all Fathers are generally not prone to infanticide, neither is society generally prone to killing police. The opposite is in fact the truth, and thankfully, since the vast majority of people in our society are born with a healthy and innate sense of morality, a morality built on the tenant of compassion, a key human emotion, we should trust the system to be “fair and even in its judgements”, that I believe was the point being made by the retired director of the DPP, Nicholas Cowdery.

…You mentioned the necessity, due to austerity measures, the Californians now find themselves confronted with; a need to empty jails. My view is, the situation for them has developed by succumbing to the emotional over-response to high profile events, which are thankfully rare.