There is no point in using the UK as an example of carbon charging.
It is much easier for them to reduce carbon by say 20% or whatever the
latest figure is because such a large percentage of their energy comes
from nuclear power stations.
Therefore the change effect on their economy is much less than it is
here in Aus.
We will be lucky if we get away with less than $30 billion anyway.
If oil prices rise as expected we will be flat out paying for that let
alone our carbon prices and levies imposed by other countries.
At present we are paying around $25 billion a year to import oil
products which is expected to rise to about $40 billion as our own
production continues its decline.
That cost alone will be more than the total NBN cost EVERY YEAR !

And then China will decline !

Belly,

Your comment "I have seen SM launch a dozen threads,more,charging the ALP with ridiculous prices on ever issue." is a deliberate lie.

Please provide some examples.

The $30bn is based on Labor's idiotic green policies and blown out costing projected onto their estimate of what needs to be built in the next decade. A complete joke.

Labor's carbon tax will take $11bn every year out of tax payers pockets.

I can see no point in continuing, you avoid this truth Abbott's plan is direct funding from our tax .
While granting big business cash pay as you earn tax payers fund it.
30 billion is the cost, Labor will help the worse off Abbott will penalize them more.
And the loss of mining tax under Abbott will hurt this country more.
While he funds middle to high income earners paid leave to have children.
LIBERALISM? doubt it bloke if Labor did that you would explode.

Dear Belly,

Here's what Malcolm Turnbull actually said about the Libs "Direct Action Scheme," :

"Having the government pick projects for subsidy is a recipe is a recipe for fiscal recklessness on a grand scale, and there will always be a temptation for projects to be selected for this political appeal. In short, having the government pay for emissions abatement,as opposed to the polluting industries themselves is a
slippery slope which can only result in higher taxes and more costly and less effective abatement of emissions. I say this as a member and former leader of a political party whose core values are a commitment to free markets and free enterprise."

It is in the big polluters best interest if a pollution fine is not employed to make them pay and change their pollution pumping technologies. The logic of Tony Abott is that the big energy produciung companies if taxed will threaten and punish the people of Australia with higher prices. His argument is now let us not tax these people, despite their behaviour and let the polluters continue polluting our air and water like they've been doing for (how many?) years. Tony Abbott has said mining companies shouldn't have to pay tax, he's said workers rights are negotiable and now he says he won't get polluters to reduce emissions. Due hard liberal supporters will continue to peddle the strong Abbott line. What terrifies me is that Abbott could become PM, on the back of tea-party types, shock jocks, and US type hysteria. Question time is now a complete farce. I do hope that the strong debate around climate change continues. The Liberal mentalities need to be laid bare for all to see. May they continue to rabbit on - people are not stupid.

Bellie

I see you completely failed to provide any link to false figures I provided.

Lexi,

I see that you dredged up a statement from more than a year ago, just after a disgruntled MT got dumped for supporting the ETS.

Lexi you post best describes the truth in this matter.
SM no need to miss spell in feeble attempts to get at me.
Turnbull is the future of your party.
Any keen observer of politics can see Abbott has something up his sleeve.
Seems intent on using some method to bring on an election.
I am sure this is his plan, just as sure Gillard is not the person to take Labor forward.
But as recent polling shows, and a book soon to be published, only Tony Abbott stopped you winning the last election.
He and only he, could get Gillard over the line.
No joy, nothing put pain, but only the fact fear of further change,public reaction to it, and Abbott, props Julia up.
This much is true, Abbott is too big a risk for Conservatives, his dumping alone can let them get rid of child like policy's that insult Liberalism.
I truly think ,only dumping Gillard and new leadership, free to dump for a time some of her failures can help the ALP.