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Does the world now believe in the reality anthopogenic global warming?

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I feel so good I could sleep for a week. <<Does the world now believe in the reality anthropogenic global warming?>>

I am now relieved of any duties related to arguing, debating, challenging or questioning the “warmertariat”.

You have all done a great job, so much so that it almost got up. Sadly you were all so full of other peoples’ opinions and web links you missed the main game. I can now state with a high degree of confidence that polar bears are dying, sea levels are rising, glaciers are melting and so are the polar ice caps. The crumbling of all things CAGW has left you all with the sad fact that you have been had and I can at last agree with you all. We can all now sympathize with you, Yes, Oh, how bad is that, really, terrible isn’t it?

Your persistent howling brings great joy to skeptics as we watch you squirm in the mire of your own making. As the world lurches ever further from your fabricated “nether world”, your pain and disillusionment is palpable.

When “global alarmism phenomena” number 28 is invented, perhaps you will think twice before buying in to it. If you don’t actually “think” as many suspect, then tough, get over it and move on.
Posted by spindoc, Sunday, 8 May 2011 3:50:37 PM
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Finally spindoc, you are prefixing AGW with 'C' as in 'catastrophic'. You know very well that the vast majority of scientists who study the stuff don't concur with 'catastrophic' at all.

However, they do say is the effects and impacts of AGW by (say) 2100 will be (seriously) bad enough - something you always fail to appreciate or indeed understand.

It seems to me you're the one squirming spindoc, not surprising though ... that's what spindoctors are good at.
Posted by bonmot, Sunday, 8 May 2011 5:55:28 PM
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The carbon tax just doesn't stand up to any systematic check. Major problem with any system for driving climate action that is a defacto tax is that the associated price increases have to take account of the tax as well as any higher cost of the clean alternative. The difference is particularly high at the start of the clean-up process. When the cleanup starts, 100% of the resulting price increase will due to the cost of the tax. For example, a carbon tax of $30/tonne CO2 tax will add about 3 cents/kWh to the price of power as soon as the tax is introduced. At the point where 10% cleanup has been reached the price increase per tonne CO2 abatement will be $300 per tonne CO2 abatement even though the carbon tax is only $30/tonne.
By contrast, price increases for alternatives that are not defacto taxes don't have to carry the cost of this tax. Under the MRET emission trading scheme (which, unlike CPRS is not a defacto tax) we are currently using to drive investment in renewables the average price of electricity only ramps up slowly to finally reach the carbon tax price increase when 100% clean has been reached. For the the above case the price increase per tonne CO23 abatement will remain at $30/tonne throughout the cleanup process.
Posted by John D, Monday, 9 May 2011 10:15:14 AM
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Bonmot is trying to have a bet each way.

No it’s not catastrophic. It’s only going to make civilisation as we know it non-viable, going to make the planet uninhabitable for our grandchildren, justify the direst prognostications of drought, flooding of nations, famine, and require the total and unprecedented transformation of the human economy if we are to survive.

But it’s not catastrophic, naaah.

What a joke.

bonmot just because you and your co-religionists don't notice the facile dishonesty of your intellectual methods, doesn't mean everyone else doesn't!

"We urgently need more government! How do I know? The governments of the world say so! Anyone who disagrees *knows* they're wrong! What is my evidence?"

Notice that AJ fell silent when challenged to deal in evidence and reason, rather than circularity, appeal to absent authority, and ad hominem? That's warmism for you.
Posted by Peter Hume, Monday, 9 May 2011 10:21:38 AM
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all this gruff about poles melting
and polar bears drown-ding

well the polar ice at the northpole has doubled this year
show me where you say its thinnner

polar bears...hunt when the ice melts
they are the best mammel swimmers that arnt like fish
[they dont drown..infact like to hide on iceflows to catch their meat]

we have the absurdity of greenhouse gasses...
yet only tax one...not the others far BY FAR WORSE

methane...from homecompost bins...mining
and lost when we collect coal seam gas..]
poisening the waters with mutation causing chemical fracting fluid

[gogle composition of fracting fluid]

another 'cure'/remedy/subsised BUSINESS
built upon a fear/lie of global warming
when its really global cooling
[as we move further from the sun]

meaning without bringing on true warming soon
we all freeze to death..as we enter the next ice age

and all this waste for what?
so those in the know can get generouse subsidy
selling 'solar/power'
we bought for them...

that has maximum outputs..
as well as minimum outputs
but feeds off the off peak tarrif power
when there aint no sun..[leeches]

add in their life span....is 25.30 YEARS MAX
so before the reral problems start
they will need to built ALL OVER AGAIN

every quater centuray
Posted by one under god, Monday, 9 May 2011 10:43:47 AM
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for a problem that cant come for 50 years

and if we changed now..cant chanmge anything for 1000 YEARS

and wind is no better...[recently in uk
uk had to buy power from france's/nukes'

they dont work well in the cold
saying it can light up a small city
when it dont got enough power to light a light bulb abouve ya head

well no wind..no power
but heaps of money[subsidy] stil goes to big petrol
12 billion gift to poluters...lol

and now we get to pay
the 12 billion forgone..to poluters

as a carbon tax
that goes back to poluters
via a fuel subsidy
or

*EXTRA FUEL..SUBSIDIES?
these on the other polutions

learn to think
we need greenhouse gas
and were trying as hard as we can
to get rid of it

we are made from carbon
how is burniong the bush...[green sceme]
not putting c02 into the air..if its so bad why burn anything

re-new/able
the rules are re-use
before you recycle

renewable means the cost of renewing it
[every 25 years or so]
no i dont believe Agw is real
but soon..we might need it to be

what then?
Posted by one under god, Monday, 9 May 2011 10:45:00 AM
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