Please do contribute Mr Phillips, that was good stuff.
I want more.
It amazes me that the biggest failure in climate change debate comes not just from Australia's politicians.
But the worlds.
It however is unlikely to be talked of with any degree of understanding ,in our country because of a lost lady who has been on both sides of the argument then back again.
May I again, inform the ALP my hope and dreams are under threat, unless some one finds that knife used on Rudd soon.

AJ as a staunch evolutionsits is use to having a faith in unproven theory. It is hysterical to listen to 'scientist'argueing about what the climate was like 20 million years ago. Climate skeptics as AJ puts are like creationist in that they demand evidence. The chance of big bang being the beginnings is absolutely laughable. Believers in this fairytale are truely gullible. They belong to the 'science is settled brigade' Just like the textbooks for evolution are being continually rewritten as one fraud after another is covered up so the IPCC report shows a similar pattern.

In fairness to the “sceptics”, one thing I should point out is that there is a small minority on the Left (not that ‘Left’ and ‘Right’ have much meaning nowadays) who have hijacked the science for their own political causes and this certainly fans the “sceptic” zealotry we witness on OLO. A lot of the pro-AWG articles on OLO don’t help much either with how unnecessarily alarmist they can sound.

But to think that one can then assume that the entire science is completely fraudulent and only back it up with some arguments that have been discredited ad nauseam is fallacious. Not to mention a non sequitur.

Belly,

Thanks! I’m considering getting in on the action but I’m finding myself short on time lately and climate science isn’t as cut and dry or easy to debate as my favourite topic - religion - which only requires a bit of sound logic to win a debate with.

runner,

Thanks for demonstrating my point. Your comments, as always, are invaluable.

Mr. Abbott is not promoting, or at least at this time that climate change is not occurring.

What he is promoting, that he, along with no one else in the world, knows the best way to deal with it.

The problem is that many of the anti price on carbon are claiming that climate change does not exist or is not man made.

The word tax appears to be a problem for some. The shame is that what is being introduced appears to be a tax, which will be imposed on a small number of heavy producers of carbon pollution. This tax or levy will over the period of three to five years in an ETS.

The scheme is being developed to protect people on low and middle incomes.

It has been calculated that Mr. Rudd's scheme impact would be much lower than what the introduction of the GST without any protection being given. There is no evidence that the country is going to collapsed. Most will not noticed the effects. In the longer run we will have a cleaner environment.

Runner! you bring a laughter in every post.
Do you understand you are part of a very small minority in the western world?
Christianity vs evolution and you are but a grain off sand on a very big beach.
thread has nothing to do with your fallacy's.
Gillard is doing Job, on herself!
As sure as NSW ALP drove its followers away she is intent on only her position .
Not my party/governments.
Come my fellow travelers, Flo you too, we must put country/party first.
Even am unsure what our policy's are.
But certain, not lefty stuff, man is having an affect on our climate.
And that it may already be too late to do anything about it.

dear belly
have you ever heard of the sukker punch?

you know that sneaky left hook
well thats global warming[ie a new tax
worth 12 BILLION..govt is going to ...LOL
suck only from 1000 others..[big busines]

WHO MUST PASS IT ON TO YOU

it does nothing except take from 1000[lol]
to give to 2 million

its a scam

all them former smokers
now got extra cash..from quitting

now govt wants it...!
12 billion mate...to give to 'others'
govt is making it look like..only..1000

but mate were all going to be [paying 'it'

making the bankers rich
[they are on the panel]

WE ARNT
even the union has been tricked
[to busy playing games...now their patsy partyy is..'in'
while the bankers send us broke..

[here is a tax..going to money changers..
to trade with..

a new commodity,..that is going to cost us the earth