Yabby,

As you can imagine, I wasn't pro Bush's Administration either.
I celebrated back then, during the U.S. mid-terms as the wheels began to fall off the neo-con agenda - and I watched avidly as Obama came to prominence....and watched his wonderful speech after he won the election. It's rare that one man can represent so much promise - even a cynic like me couldn't help but be inspired.....

Sadly though, we're a fair way down the track and I can't see that in a system like America's that one man can fulfill his promise. Can you tell me how you see that "Obama's America" differs greatly from "Bushes America" because I assumed that the change by this stage of the game would be palpable....but I just can't see it or feel it.

Poiroit, you make a valid point, ie the difference one man can make
and I think perhaps many expected too much too quickly, which was
unrealistic. Obama was left with an incredible economic mess to
try to sort out and he knows well that if he doesent, he will
be a one term president.

But America ia a fairly divided nation right now. On the one hand
the shrill calls of the Trumps and Palins which to me respresents
the dangerous side of America, OTOH the more moderate, innovative
side of America, which does not want America to be the worlds
policeman and take a very different attitude in foreign policy.
That is shown by the respect that Obama has received from the
rest of the global community, as distinct to the distain in which
Bush/Cheney were held by the same.

Even you would have been thrilled when Michelle started planting
her organic veggie patch in the White House garden:)

I am surprised that there is no concensus that Bin laden should
have been killed asap and his body disposed of quickly.

How many hostages lives have been saved because there is no Bin laden
to be freed ?
Picture the scene; 50 passengers on a bus or hundreds on a train.
"We will shoot them one by one until Bin laden is freed !"

The pressure on the US to release him would have been overwhelming.
About the only other possibility would have been to take him alive
interrogate him and then announce he died of his wounds.

We are not dealing with a "nice clean" war here with soldiers in
uniform. We are dealing with sneak attacks by civilians.
These are the rules set up by the terrorists and so we must comply
with those rules.

I agree very much with your every word Bazz.
Poirot I just want to remind you Camelot never existed.
Even the Kennedy one in the 60,s was rife with human frailty's, sex life's and such.
We are not perfect, America never was never will be.
But they have a great leader Chained to an opposition just as intractable as ours.
If you have lost faith in him, then your days of dreaming are over.
Such as he take small steps small changes, that is all we can expect.
Hope for, he could have been my lifetime dream, Kevin Rudd, what ever is true of Kev he put himself in front of my party's interests.
And produced nothing.
Yet even now he is head and shoulders above our country's failure known as leader.
Take joy in small victory's.
Very few of us can ever win much more than that.
Take time to understand, the second the inhuman grub died he became marter for hate and bitterness not seen in our worlds,unless in Americas Tea Party,the average IQ there's about the same.

Head Of CIA – Reports Obama Watched Bin Laden Die Are Lies, Admits NO LIVE RAID VIDEO FOOTAGE
By: kr3at

For days now several officials inside the US Government
and several corporate media outlets have reported that President Obama and other US officials

./.watched live video footage
of the Osama Bin Laden assassination raid
inside the situation room at the White House.

Screen shots of BS Lying MSM News Headlines read:

"Obama watched live video of Bin Laden raid, US Official says" - CNN

"Obama Watched Bin Laden Die On Live Video
As Shoot-out beamed to White House" - The Daily Mail

"Obama 'Watched Him Die'" -The Sun

All of those stories — LIES!

CIA Chief Admits There Was NO Live Video
Footage Of Osama Bin Laden Compound Raid
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/05/05/head-cia-admits-live-video-footage-osama-bin-laden-compound-raid-22288/

RELEASE THE VIDEO?: CIA HEAD
SAYS VIDEO BLACKED OUT DURING RAID FOR '25 MINUTES'
By: J.T. Waldron

The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events.

Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off.

http://weeklyintercept.blogspot.com/2011/05/release-video-cia-head-says-video.html

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/05/05/white-house-psyop-script-falls-apart/
http://theintelhub.com/2011/05/04/no-proof-has-been-offered-suggesting-that-the-official-osama-bin-laden-death-narrative-is-even-remotely-true/
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/dna-sequence-in-24-hours/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42912904/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/05/us-pakistani-chinese-tensions-growing.html
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/178415.html

Sheesh OUG, for once I bother to read one of your posts for a change
and not an ounce of common sense anywhere.

The raid lasted 40 minutes and the claim is that the cameras were
blocked out for 25 minutes. We will probably never know if it
was all filmed or not, it could have been either.

This is where realpolitik and Govt spin are so important. What
matters is outcomes and results. They got him.

I think that beforehand they were so focussed on results, they
most likely did not give much thought about afterwards.

Now if they say that it was all live, there will be a huge outcry
to release the video, which might show that they shot him in
cold blood. That video would be used as a rallying point by
radicals, so best it never appears anywhere. Then the outcry by
the many bleating hearts. They forget its a war.

His daughter seemingly claims that they captured him then shot him.
Could be, it really doesent matter. Somebody who was there will
eventually reveal what happened, but that is alot less of value
then a graphical video.

Its now time to move on, not another 10 years of a bin Laden in
court circus with hostages taken etc.

So whatever the bit of spin, what matters is the end result.
That right now is positive.