Another example from the animal kingdom showing that 'natural' enemies aren't necessarily so: http://tiny.cc/gkhbk

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xtains shouldnt judge..
it dont matter a hoot
what was the reality ...of yesterday

our living god lives..
*in real time..

lives inside us all..
*right now*

so saying though
i note the pope in a box

[well 3 boxes really]
[i understand porn..is only double wrapped]

but see its the same thing
as that toughening up thing
the army does

only this xtian version..
is called can-anon-isation..

[not the armed forces..
;bar-SS-teurd-isation]
that comes..'from' hell for sure

anything with the word
cannon in it..must be suss

unrelated

i wrote this learning
for the pope in boxes 3

who may or may not be..*in that dark place
where many of the middle/ages popes..dwell
[recall the inquisition..
that came..;..direct from hell]

anyhow

what if you
were in a dark place,..say in a box
what difference to you..where that box is

how could you learn or care to learn the colour of the box
from within..its too dark to tell a black thread from a white thread

and the outside
well who cares

how would you know the box waas even the 'right-way' up
or the right branded lable...or indeed even if it were a box

so whats the point of this uncertainty

if your in a dark place
thats where you chose to be

ok...[for now]..your not 'in' a dark/place
but rather only able to se the outside of it
and god is inside it..inside you

remember
when you were in the dark box

or even a warm comfortable womb
you were the life within..inside..
without even seeing
or knowing..
the shape of the container..
or its look feel reality..from its out side

continues

anyhow as you now know it well
have even given it a face
and call her mum

cause[now]
its you on the outside
you now know..[in the light]..egsactly what you are
sasdly for the one good sustaining you your very life
he is still in the darkness..simply being the life sustaining
creater being..doing what he does so well..him who shall never see the light

cause he is too busy doing living
from within every living thing living
onl;y by him doing the impossably complex things
every life needs..to keep on living

even in the next light relm
he still sustains that living from within

now se you as that 'box'
wioth that good loving living life force..within

the good living light love logic[god]..being
sustaining your being[you being]..
the living being
your so busy being

recognise the life force within you
hey box head..ya want me to box ya ears
lets call this energy[life force]..within god

get it
good

see you are alive
but its not you doing it
your just a box[meat..you know
that stuff left over..when the life force departs

thats how you even know your alive
[logic/light/love/life..sure sign's of him within]

you know your alive
but you also must know...
its not you..*conciously doing 'it'

ok science..'says'
but it dont got a clue
it cant make life..only prolong it
or mutate it..test it poke at it..but in the end is onlu GUESSING

its got theory
yet life goes on
from dep within the urge to kep living goes on
and on and on...

so strong we are EVEN prepared to KILL others
to keep it going...on

sorry im having a brief break

i feel the dark forces of anger
and we got no time
for blame or shame

for we are all in that cold dark place
this is about ending murder..[war..!..]
remember that 'other'..L.A.W..?
thou shall not murder?

Thanks David and morganzola for those heartwarming examples - although they are both unusual examples of socialisation between species, I don't necessarily think they explain the penchant humans have for violence amongst its own.

Man is capable of abstract thinking. He has evolved into a being that relies on his instincts, emotions and his intelligence, his ability to rationalise. This makes him a formidable entity, not only to the planet, but also to his own species.

Eugene Rbinowitch wrote:
"Human emotions and instincts include many noble ones: passionate love and steady friendship, devotion to fellow men and self-sacrificing loyalty to a group. But man's "parliament of instincts" includes also dark passions - hate and intolerance, cruelty and indifference to the needs and suffering of others, lust for power and the joy of domination - the emotional and instinctive inheritance of millenia of desperate competition for survival among individuals as well as societies....In the course of evolution it has served as criterion for the selection of more viable societies and eliminated less viable societies....Since homo sapiens appeared on earth, his only steadily growing asset has been his intelligence , his capacity for critical analysis of the facts of the situation, and prediction of likely consequences of his individual or collective behaviour."

Our competitive instinct is so ingrained that even if there is peace, we indulge in competitive sport to satisfy our need.

What a strange species we are, as it seems even with our capacity to predict outcomes - such as the overburdening of the planet with our excess, we now spend time rationalising against what our senses tell us in the hope that if we ignore it, it will somehow not be a problem.

David, I don't believe it would be possible to use rational thought and "programming" to disabuse an entire species of its instinctual competitive nature - in fact, many movements and philosophers have had that very idea, and somehow the theory is always skewed by man when it is put into practice.

ok i have calmed my inner demons

and once more realise to
look to the right/..light..bright side
to try to love god..[good]
by loving thy neighbour

not murdering hiom and looting his children
and raping his wife..[the fruits of war..
ie what many...*are fighting for]

leraving out those who murder others from
malice bias fear or simply cause in war they can

[why am i hearing
the chant from hell..

..""YES WE CAN..!""]

back to your notes johan

SCIENCE has no idea how god within us/all..does it

ok they got theories..buzz word's
auto response..autonimous..natural..or logical

buts lets recall
science has never 'made' life
[ok sure it put dna..into a living cell]
but thats like me saying i invented a computer..
simply by writing a program..its hokum..[spin]..food for the athiest

you dont know how your doing your life thing
[and not meant to know..god knows and look at where it got him
sustaining to live some truelly extreem living 'beings'
yet got loves them all...he is addicted to living
dont really know much else but life must go on

your aware
your living
but why are you chosing
who keeps living..and who keeps loosing

your whole life
you studied that outside
thinking its you..[and so it is]

but the real you..[your soul]..lies deep within
and within that lies the eternal living spirit..sustaining it all to live

sustaining it all from within
fel the good inside you...any bad within isnt ';him'
any fear any negativity ..that aint him..its mainly you

fel the good life energy in you
within you..flow through you
feel the influx inflow input from without
from life and the other dimentions[heaven and hell]

mo0re shall be given
to whatever you focus on
focus on death..and the demons will help give it
focus on luife and the angels will sustain you to keep living

solgers know..if you got love in ya heart
evil cant hurt you..as hard as it is..even in battle..keep the love

only one in a 1000 bullits ever made a kill
cause they were fired in anger..they couldnt hurt the good
but in a second of time..a fleting bad thought..of even the most good

and your outa the game
jesus couldnt die till he despaired

feel the influx..the inflow..of god within
from without..returning to you..its inner source

but not just you..ALL LIFE IS SACRED..
all life has him within

[that we do to the least]
hurts who the most?

equally the least..