Thank you OUG for your reply, I would query further but I just can't be bothered.

Dear Poirot,

On second thought if men really had a warlike nature we would not need conscription. Most contacts of humans with other humans are peaceful. I have been in the army. Part of the training is to overcome our inhibitions of destroying other human beings.

Indeed, that may be so, David.
From a personal perspective, I find it difficult to imagine being involved in a physical skirmish - that is something alien to my experience.

Most humans are socialised within their culture to preserve human life.
They come to an "intersection" when they are threatened or are required to expand their territory by force.
The "training" you mentioned is in essence a deprogramming of one type of social value.

The question is, is this value acquired or instinctual?

Dear Poirot,

You wrote: "The question is, is this value acquired or instinctual?"

It is not the question. It is a question. The fact is that whether the attitude is acquired or instinctive we can be changed by programming.

If we can be changed by programming we can be changed for peace.

thats ok mise
im a bit tired as well

only moved to post by quoting david's words
as they stir a response in my mind

how spirits work..is they feed off our thought energy
love our fear energy...and when they find a suitable victim
love feeding more of the same thoughts..that result in more the energy...that energises them..[attracted them in the first place]

[demon's love negativity..fear hate greed glutony etc]
higher spirits love the higher things..good art soothing music architecture invention...

its what we have in our minds
give our attentions to..that more is given applies
in this realm and the next..[also refers to sorting sheep from goats;..same concept]

anyhow to davids quote
'"Capitalism is a devil""
no the greed of more attracts demons

.."'on which one can blame all the ills of the world.""
but we need think it first
those who only have good thoughts only attract good
[many feign it by thinking nothing..but jjesus was ione who came close]

""Wars did not start with the advent of capitalism""
but wars cost money
rome needed money to pay for its wars
european kings even lent from the money changers[at ursury]

lest we forget many assasinations from ceaser to jfk
was by them minting their own money
[cuting out the money changers
WHO HAVE PAID FOR BOTH SIDES OF MOST WARS]

who ever wins
they get their cash back[with intrst]
ever heard of war reperations/looting?

""nor will they cease with the demise of capitalism.""
less war..only means lower levels of war instruments

we revolt..[civil wars with ropes]
when the money changers get too greedy

""It ignores history""
measured from one war to the next

""to set up capitalism as a devil""
yes thats absurd
some do use their money to help other's
ok not the church/state..not big bankers..but some

very few..most have the
greed is god demons..on their backs

""The problem is deeper than capitalism."'
sure their greed over-rides others need

Dear Poirot,

http://www.withcompassion.com.au/noahsarkclubhouse.htm is a beautiful example of conditioning of natural enemies to friendship.