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Australian tourism, from backpackers haven, to backpackers heaven.

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Continued by rehctub

Hasbeen. Well said.
The fact of the matter is that unless there are some serious changes to IR laws, many businesses will fail. Hospitality first, retail, tourism and farming coming a close combined second.

It's a sad world when ones tomatoes are not allowed to ripen on a sunday. Or at least, can't afford to be picked.

People, can you not see what is behind the push for imported foods. These chain stores are simply establishing their OS markets in readiness for the day our farmers can no longer afford to farm.

Farmers 20 years ago sold their inherited farms because it seemed like the easy option.

Today, it may well be their only option, yet we just sit back and watch it happen just so we can protect workers rights.

Good luck to you all when the risk takers stop taking risks.

Won't happen you say cause there is always someone linning up to take our place. Boy you are so miss guided.

In the 90's most small business in these feilds made about 20% profit. Nowdays, that's more like 2 to 5%.

The end is coming guys.

Take your blinkers off before it is to late. Or maybe that day has already come.
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 6:50:23 AM
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Rechtub! after a GOOD union official has been schooled in shouting and screaming at bosses, swearing loudly at them, he/she has to have and UNDERSTANDING of the tax laws.
Super and much more.
Fact is you put my statement in to the sausage maker ,pulled it out and presented it back to me as your idea.
INCOME IS ANNUAL if I worked 3 months and the annual wage was 50.000, I would have to put in a tax return.
Now forget the wish expressed here that we import slaves to do our work and pay them just enough bread and water to live, its been done.
Northern Territory fruit growers long ago started dialog with a trade union! to bring fruit pickers in to this country.
A novel thought, aimed at picking and selling the fruit as an alternative to it rotting on the ground.
yabby nice to hear your work rewarded you.
Question bloke,If I worked for you, worked my guts out as I proudly did in any job, owned nothing at the start.
would my work earn me as much as yours did you?
Ir reward for effort only for some?
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 7:31:53 AM
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rehctub
You guys are speaking nonsense - what a lot of arrogant testosteronial bluster. Better stick to flogging meat and seafood.

Why is your experience, which is not in hospitality, any more valid than a person who has spent some years in the hospitality industry in established businesses and new ventures?

If your arguments had any weight you would not have to use distraction as a method of debate.

The IR laws here are not the problem in the big picture.

Do your research before you go flinging around figures out of your head in relation to coffee and then get back to me. Speak to the owners of cafes and they will all tell you their money comes from cofee sales especially since the uptake of coffee has increased markedley over the last few years, far outselling the once favourite tea.

A cup of take-away coffee in Canberra is about $3.50 (cheapest) to $4.00 or more (add more if you want a fancy version).
Posted by pelican, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 9:41:02 AM
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*would my work earn me as much as yours did you?
Ir reward for effort only for some?*

Belly, I did in fact offer my business to my staff.
They were not interested, too much risk, too much stress!

Would you have been ready to lose your house on the business,
if shipments went wrong?

Pelican, yes we know you are sensitive about the public service
history thinggy, I did put a smiley in there, but never mind.

The problem really was your naive answer, which is why I wrote
it in the first place. Once again, in many industries all those
extra IR costs are not built into the price, because many businesses
are not price makers, but price takers.

But you are not the first ex public servant who is naive about
how businesses are run. Its a common Canberra foible.
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 10:39:02 AM
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Belly, your last post says it all really.

"If I worked for you, worked my guts out as I proudly did in any job, owned nothing at the start would my work earn me as much as yours did you?

From this I can only gather you believe everyone in a company should be payed the same amount for their time.

How about we put it this way.

You work for me, but we don't have enough work to be busy for a month, & loose a few thousand. I can not take any pay for the month, & have to put in most of my pay for the preceding month to pay the rent, & overheads.

Should you go without pay this month too, & how much of your pay from the preceding month should you put in to help pay those bills?

How much should you put in to pay for the new machinery, & can we mortgage your house too, to secure the loan?

When I had an exchange reconditioned auto components factory, & workshop years ago, I was silly enough to get to where I employed 26 people. There was nothing wrong with any of them, they were good people, but due to the nature of the business I made no profit, & usually a loss, for some of the year.

When I shut the doors on Christmas eve I had to have enough to support myself for 4 & 1/2 months, & a few thousand in kitty to help pay the business costs for the same period. The business was not self funding for that period.

School holidays meant quite a few staff wanted their holidays then. The pile of public holidays between then & Anzac day meant many months were also unprofitable.

At the same time, many prospective customers had overspent over Christmas, & put off even necessary repairs to vehicles, until they had repaired their bank balances.

With business down, should I have put off some people, put everyone on a 4 day week, or simply paid them less, Belly?

Continued.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 10:47:15 AM
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Continued.

How many nights should the staff have worked back, [free of course] to do the books, pay the suppliers, or make up the pays, in those days when we still paid people in real folding money each week?

I only had one staff member leave me from that business. He was the nice, honest helpful old mechanic, who I put in charge when I was away. I put him on 10% of the profits, as a bonus, but when he discovered how little that actually was, he thought I was lying to him, & left.

That business became more profitable when I had reduced it to employing 18 staff, but even at that the net was not much greater than it had been back when it was only 6.

I don't know what that bloke from the big company thought the noise was. That's the one who rang wanting to know if I would sell the place. I was so excited that the adrenaline made me too strong. The 4Lb hammer in my hand, that I threw onto the bench, bounced out through a window.

That's when I climbed onto a yacht, & spent 6 years sailing, & working around the pacific islands. It took that long to get over working that hard. Funny isn't it, my bank account grew more each year out there, odd jobbing, than it had as a business man.

So no Belly, you will not get the same money the owner gets, because you haven't earned it.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:10:55 AM
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