Again, the whole discussion us redundant until IPCC reruns its
computer models against the new fossil fuel availability data.

There is significantly less than the amounts they used in their three
projections.
It is now a matter of restarting from square one.
Perhaps the projection using the new figures will say forget it no
problem or the rise would be marginal.

Here it is, the link to the published paper is in blue a few paragraphs down the page.

http://aleklett.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/validity-of-the-fossil-fuel-production-outlooks-in-the-ipcc-emission-scenarios/

I had ment to mention that I got some feedback from another place
where I mentioned the Uppsala paper. It seems that many people are so
hooked on global warming being real that they just cannot accept that
they might actually have been wrong all this time.
It would be humorous if it was not costing $billions and eventually
$trillions.
Just to be clear I am a skeptic but I could be wrong, maybe global
warming is happening, I just think when you get people like
Professor Carter a paleoclimate specialist at Cook University
saying that the climate is actually cooling a little if anything and
he then gets attacked verbally it seems some people have perhaps had
their religious beliefs attacked.
It does look similar to Islamic, Catholic and Protestant intolerance.

So much so that they do not want to read the Uppsala paper.
There is a real blockage of mind on this matter.
Skeptism is really out the window to some people.

I think this phenomena is more worrying than whether AGW is real or not.

The household should use 14 kwh / day. And that is generous. I can not even make ten.
What is going to happen to make power rise by $300 / yr
The kw rate here is .22 cents.
Lifestyle junkies pay 5 or 6 hundred $/ qtr, but that is their choice.
With one tv, two fridges, one deep freez. uses 9.5 kwh/day

Why has Kristine Kaneally promised subsidies to poor families of $250 p/a, if the rise is no where near that?

good point philo
clearly she would have had a brief from julia
so tonies numbers arnt far off the mark

its interestingly revealing in itself that no numbers are released
i would have thought inform,ed debate would begin with the raw numbers

as for the us leading the world
[see the world is in a mess..
because their greens did it all there allready
aspain briton italy..[all the pigs done it]
europe ben trading carbon for years[and it failed badly
the bnig poluters got bigger rights to polute than they neded [and flooded the market..[thebn there is the issue of theft of the right to polute indulegencies

did you hear julia yesterday telling how big business loves the idea of paying a polution tax[or rather getting a handout of carbon credits]..

deal's will be deals
the labourot fruit dont fall far
from the last time it tried to become a tree

we are following not leading
all this chest beating and the turncoat doing his teason
and tonies favorite perversion julia who gave rupert his debrief on his birthday..

after visiting the holy of holies on wall street..
before drinking a free beer with her mates for the media
heck it aint half bleeding obvios its all just a scam..for the money changers man

the numbers dont lie
but with modeling its as simple
as running the wrong numbers

these numbers for the tax cows
these numbers for the money men
[running two sets of books]

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=11732

so many lies
recall..the oxone hole is melting?
y2k..birdflue...aids..the bailouts

$967 / yr is normal for power. A rise of 30% is needed to rise by $ 300
.22 c/ kwh would have to be, 28.6 c/ kwh. Just as well i have solar.
Last quarter cost .25 c/day for power and service fee.