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Self punishment in state government -cutting off your nose to spite your face

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Houellebeq agreed every word, King Hazza all true but not Bob Carr he was our last leader and our best.
History will remind us of his great achievements, we fell over after he left.
The Italian Stallion turned the tables on natural progression and turned in to a fair ground wooden horse.
Watch the faction leadership, they should go,everyone including non parliamentarians.
But know too the blood letting will hurt but lead in time to a return to government.
We, my party turned a state we owned in to the party's worst ever result,all on our own.
Some one must pay for that.
unions dealing with this mob only got in the door if they had a faction leader or weight Carrier in their camp.
NSW Government out door workers go like lambs to the slaughter, because the party their grand father formed thought of them as disposable.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 24 February 2011 4:33:59 PM
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Handle:>> When a party elected to represent us makes us feel hurt or upset, of course we hit back, but why elect a party like the Liberals -to my mind elitist, contrary in interests to the vast majority and a better friend to big business than it is to any average voter.<<

Handle, why are you hurt and upset as you choose to put it?

Are you “hurt” because you were told nothing but Labor lies, the new one for today is the Carbon tax. Gillard said not in this term just six odd months ago.

Are you upset because Kevin vowed to slash $395m in what he identified as "wasteful" Liberal federal spending on consultants, and when in government past the Billion dollars plus mark before they turfed him out.

Are you hurt when you think of the parents of the four young Aussies who died horribly in roof cavities because of Labors incompetent management?

Are you upset because Labor only released a handful of pages from the cost analysis for Broadband?

Are you hurt because Labor only released a handful of pages from the BER report?

Are you upset because of the $850 Million solar blowout?

Are you hurt because Labor promised 260 child care outlets and only delivered 38?

Are you upset because Labor promised 2500 new aged care beds and delivered 52?

Are you hurt because Labor promised Laptops to all year 9-12 students and only delivered a quarter of those?

Are you upset because the Indigenous Housing Plan spent $670 Million and not one house was built?

Are you hurt that 5.5 Billion spend on extra hospital funding delivered 11 new beds?

Are you hurt and upset because Labor was left a 20 Billion Budget Surplus that they turned to a 50 billion debt in under three years?

Handle you are a cellular animal that obviously cannot identify pain. There is a genetic condition that means that if you put your hand on the stove, you do not react until you smell burning flesh. You suffer from that malady.
Posted by sonofgloin, Thursday, 24 February 2011 4:56:06 PM
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"The social elites are born into opportunity, with a 'silver spoon in their mouth'. How can they or their party be expected to sympathise with the working woman or man that just wants to get ahead in life, or at least stay above the poverty line?"

Absolute thoughtless balderdash! Formulated in envy!

I am NOT a Liberal Party member and they do not get my number[1] vote; howeber of all the liberal Party members I know they are ordinary hard working people running a small business, trying to raise a family. There are a small number of goons among them equally the same as any party. However they do seem to excell in economic management, as they know what it takes to run a sucessful business. Charity / welfare can only exist if the businesses are prosperous.
Posted by Philo, Friday, 25 February 2011 8:10:31 AM
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Handle, It’s just a blame game to you. It’s all screwed up so we must blame someone. How about starting with those who kept voting them in based upon, ideological, dreaming, fantasies?

Then you add that, bad as this lot are, and yes it doesn’t get much worse, the other “lot”, who have not been in power are the ones to really fear, astonishing reflective angst.

Your “diversity” comments are a grab for absolutely anything that excludes “The social elites are born into opportunity, with a 'silver spoon in their mouth'”, Liberals I suppose? The credit you bestow upon “independents” cannot possibly refer to anything in the real world, unless of course you would care to bestow those same benefits upon Willkie, Oakeshot and Windsor. But you wouldn’t would you? I don’t know, maybe you would.

Belly, the loss of any remaining excuses for the NSW ALP has reduced you to fudge. I’m afraid you don’t make much sense any more; your post is just “thrashing” for some sort of context or relevance for the ALP, sorry mate, it’s all gone
Posted by spindoc, Friday, 25 February 2011 11:04:14 AM
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"Yes, in NSW communication between the people and parliament is strained. But at least the ALP has links through to the workers and cannot afford to alienate them. If it errs, it pays dearly, as we are all seeing, but who are the Liberals?"

Handle
Your own statement above is contradictory. How can the ALP "pay dearly" if it errs (your words) if they are not voted out. The ALP already got one miraculous chance last NSW election and because there was no 'payback' nothing changed except the window dressing.

I agree the ideal is to vote on ideological grounds but really, how long has it been since the ALP (or the Liberals) were true to original platforms. The ALP plays lip service to its union heritage and is probably for the union movement nothing more than the best of a bad bunch, except for those few unionists who aspire to political careers.

There are the Greens and Independents - maybe that would be real payback for both parties who have failed in their representative duties. If they stuff things up or fail to consult the people on public asset sell offs, they get voted out next time.

The ALP party machine in recent days has released its review (by Bracks, Carr and Faulkner) the failure to consult more widely with the grass roots, the influence of factionalism and emergence of a "gang of four" type influence in Cabinet (Commonwealth). Maybe there is hope at the Commonwealth level but the NSW especially really needs a big broom.
Posted by pelican, Friday, 25 February 2011 11:54:08 AM
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The ALP considers "community consultation" as displays of what they propose to build - no correspondence entered into. I have seen 250 local residents absolutely livid at a community consultation meeting when the engineers and local polies presented to the residents on the other side of the river a bridge 2 meters higher than the existing causeway when what they expected was an all weather flood acess to their work and supplies. Floods normally run at 5 to 6 meters over the causeway for 6 to 10 days in flood time. In the 1960's during a major flood 300 meters of the gravel approach aproach was washed away and the only access was by boat. The residents expected a high level bridge reaching from bank to bank.
Posted by Philo, Friday, 25 February 2011 3:27:40 PM
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