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Drunken louts on our streets, could this help.

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I think, perhaps, a stiff fine for the venue that served the last drink to a person who finds him/herself in trouble with the constabulary during a night on the turps.
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Again, the burden is placed on the publican to compensate for the incompetence of our government and police force. We already pay taxes to them to look after these problems, why should the publican need to do their jobs for them? How would a publican know a patron is going to cause trouble on his way home? Not all drinkers cause trouble.

Years ago, 20 or more, the cops would deal with this behavior, why do they not now? It can't be lack of resources, they have more tax payers now and less need for police to be patrolling the roads due to cameras, so what's going on, where's the money gone?
Posted by RawMustard, Monday, 14 February 2011 7:59:23 PM
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One of the causes of much drunkeness is the unavailability of food & coffee in many bars. I have had first hand experience when we used to go out & had a few too many. Once you've had a gut ful you simply buy a ham roll & a couple of coffees & presto, the mind cleared sufficiently to continue self control. Of course we had our share of brainless mutts but in general they were a small minority.
I was really surprised at the attitude in Sydney & the Gold Coast etc. when young people were saying " let's get p....d". There wasn't any kind of socialising possible with the blaring music because people couldn't hear each other. Apparently, the culture has not yet changed all that much. I recall anyone caught with dope was handled like one by the Police. We didn't have many Cops then.
I really believe that it'll be a tough track for anyone to slow the trend nowadays but all it needs is don't give drunks & addicts priority in Hospitals. I recall one remote area nurse saying to a bloke who burnt himself with the hot oil he threw over his girlfriend, come back at five before we close after he presented himself at outpatients at 8am. I never did warm to this nurse but she still has my respect nearly 30 years on. The girl spent a few weeks in hospital. The bloke cut right back on drinking.
Posted by individual, Monday, 14 February 2011 8:32:48 PM
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The publican is not doing the police officers' jobs for them. Under my proposal, the publican is being called upon to do his/her own job (the responsible service of alcohol) properly, and being fined for failing to do so.
Posted by Otokonoko, Monday, 14 February 2011 8:59:43 PM
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What gets me is that it's either the Publican & or the Police whose "Job" it is to control brainless mutts. Let's stop beating around the bush, a mutt gets blotto, it's his fault & those with him. Not the person working in a bar.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 8:10:04 AM
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I understand where you're coming from, individual, and while I disagree with you, both you and RawMustard have a point. It is certainly true that people who get drunk make a calculated decision to do so, in most cases. However, the person who sells alcohol to somebody who is intoxicated also makes a calculated decision.

I don't know what the laws are in other states, but in Queensland the responsibility of the service provider is clearly defined. I suspect that, nine times out of ten, serving that extra drink will have no negative consequences (other than a headache for the drinker the following day). However, when the publican or the employee chooses to turn a blind eye and break the rules, s/he takes a risk. If their actions contribute to violence in the venue or on the streets, I firmly believe that they have a case to answer.
Posted by Otokonoko, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 10:37:23 PM
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Otokonoko,
Your policy would be no problem in a bar of only a few patrons. I'd like you to consider how much attention you'd be able to pay to patrons' level of indoxication when you haven't got time to look around on a busy evening.
Explain to me why it always has to fall into someone else's lap tp take responsibility ? I simply can not fathom this mentality. How would you feel if Johnny owed me a hundred Dollars & I turned around & say, Oktokonoko when are you going to give me a hundred dollars.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 16 February 2011 5:58:40 AM
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