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Organ donation. Opt in or opt out?

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Jolanda

I think you misunderstood me. I was not refering to OLO or me for that matter. Rather what Banjo mentioned that happend to YOU on Another!forum line.

I thought you were treated very badly and was agreeing with Banjo. I offered YOU support regarding that particular matter and what happend.
It was nice of Bango to say something - I thought.

Good on you Banjo for speaking up for fair play

Thats is why my friend sent you the OLO one instead so you would have somewhere else to post.

Sorry If you misunderstood.

Good to see your site back up Jolanda. I have experienced something similar with my daughter In Canberra.

Of course she grown now and almost married.

Antj
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 19 February 2007 7:33:53 AM
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Antj I apologize if I misunderstood. I am somewhat burnt so I am sensitive and given that there is a bit of a history here and, I also thought you were somebody else, I read it to be in the negative to me.

I am sorry. You may have to ignore my other post on the other thread as well as again given the history, and the fact that I thought that somebody else was writing, it I was a bit ubrupt.
Posted by Jolanda, Monday, 19 February 2007 7:58:30 AM
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It’s depressing that everyone thinks it’s a good idea to keep people alive by transplanting organs. This is the reason thousands of men [prisoners] are murdered every year by the state in china for their organs, and all over the world, men women and especially children are abducted and trafficked for their organs – it is now a more lucrative trade than drugs.
Westerners think they have the right to live forever at any cost. But that is not so. Death is always sad for loving survivors, but it is not sad for the dead. Everyone has to die sooner or later, and at least those who die young will not have to suffer the vicissitudes of old age.
I will never agree to my organs being donated. As a same-sex-oriented male, I have suffered far too much from religious and other bigotry. The idea that a homophobe would be given my perfectly working heart makes my flesh crawl.
I’m a slim, healthy, vegetarian, non-smoking, non-drinking, monogamist, conservationist who has done no harm to either the planet or my fellow humans. If I could be assured my organs went to a similar type of human who was also an atheist, then I might consider donating things. But until then my organs at death are going up in smoke!
Posted by ybgirp, Tuesday, 20 February 2007 11:38:10 AM
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ybgirp, I found your post rather sad.

Whilst I see your point about not wanting to help those who hurt you you might consider all those straights who support equal rights for gays.

I'd find a post by a homophobe saying they are not donating because a homosexual might get their organs sad and I'm struggling to see much difference. Refusing to do good because you can't control who might benefit is part of the problem not the solution.

Maybe better to enjoy the irony of a staunch homophobe being kept alive by a well looked after organ that came from a homosexual. Now how can we arrange to tell them six months after the operation (or give them a choice before sugery of having your liver or waiting for a more suitable one)?

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 20 February 2007 11:54:19 AM
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RObert: "Maybe better to enjoy the irony of a staunch homophobe being kept alive by a well looked after organ that came from a homosexual. Now how can we arrange to tell them six months after the operation (or give them a choice before sugery of having your liver or waiting for a more suitable one)?"

Now that's what I call Humour with a capital H :)

jbgirp,
I can understand your thinking, and appreciate your view on this.

When I first read about the Organ Trade in China several years ago I could hardly belief something as horrible as that was reality! Not just the death penalty but then also knowing that people are benefitting from the organs of executed people is horror indeed!
I have also read that the higher the demand for organs, the more prisoners are being executed! It makes me wonder if they're just keeping people in death row longer until needed or that some prisoners are being sentenced to death undeserving...

But when there are enough organ donors in Australia, (or any country) wouldn't that reduce the demand for 'buyable' organs?

Having enough organs available to fill demand would have to kill a trade in organs, I figure.

It's very sad and frustrating to know that there are wealthy people who can snap their fingers and 'buy' life by paying for organs like they pay for any of their other 'conveniences'.

You can ignore my following comment because it's a sub-topic or as you may say, off-topic, but I wonder if, on a much smaller scale, wealthy people in Australia are, in a way, able to 'buy' life as well since we have an inequal health system that, I believe, disadvantages people of low socio-economic status.

People who can pay for top level health insurance experience less waiting time which equals less risk for the patient. Not everyone can choose top specialists and surgeons. People relying Medicare only do not have these options.

Are penniless people on Medicare shoved down the list to allow for wealthier people to jump the queue?
Posted by Celivia, Tuesday, 20 February 2007 12:45:40 PM
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People who refuse to donate there organs in the tragedy of there death show the height of selfishness! There last act in this world was to refuse needy people the gift of life! Anyone here who is not an organ donor is despicable beyond words!
Posted by EasyTimes, Tuesday, 20 February 2007 6:24:01 PM
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