You know, I've been sitting here late at night trying to imagine all the people of the world triumphing over their cultural conditioning and embracing a feeling of universal cooperation......sorry, try as I might, I can't sustain the image.
Humankind is far too self-obsessed and disconnected. It's as if the species has to experience some form of resistance to maintain its vitality.
It's difficult to see humankind overcoming these attributes. We do occasionally have our standouts - those who are capable of rallying the collective imagination....look at Jesus....but then, look what they done to his song.

Dear David F... no, I was not asking you to apologise for "Jews wanting to be Jews".. I was asking you to apologise for THIS.

//Evangelical Christianity and radical Islam want to make them like us. When they want to stay as they are EC & RI may feel justified in murdering the infidel.//

*THAT* is what I request a retraction and apology for.

You did the same thing the 2 Dannies were accused of and which Justice Higgins pointed out ..i.e..you lumped ALL 'evangelicals' into the same "may feel justified in murdering".. you did not say "SOME"..

I will completely reject the idea that an EVANGELICAL Christian (in the true meaning of the term) could even contemplate 'murdering' someone who rejected the faith. It's patently ridiculous and is DEFinitely "incitement to hatred" as it suggests that to be 'Evangelical' (which I am) is to feel justified in MURDERING.

You could have escaped my rebuke had you used the term 'nominal' or.. 'cultural' or "people with a historic Christian tradition" but no.. you said "Evangelical" Christians can MURDER..on the grounds that people do not accept the Gospel.

*That* is going too far.

The WORST the New Testament prescribes for unbelievers who reject the Gospel is this "Shake the dust off your feet at them as you leave their village"

Oh shock...horror.. can you even believe the atrocity ? "Shaking dust off your feet"

Now..the DIFFerence (just in case your contextual and grammatical skills have wained) is that YOU are making a wild and unjustified implication from "No man comes to the Father but by me" and I have given you THE clear cut, unambiguous, plain language 'stipulation'.

For a bloke who has the science background you have... a dabble in the humanities might be in order..

SUS.. you are acting like a little schoolgirl in failing to have the maturity in recognizing the forces which contributed to Hitlers mental outlook, and also..my own statement that he went 'wrong' in his applying that reaction to 'all' Jews. Did you even read my post?

CONTINUED...

Sus... if you actually read my post, you would have seen where I described hitler going 'WRONG' in his decisions to apply his feelings to the whole Jewish race. I am only providing information which shows what shaped his thinking. And..I have also shown how such things are happening right now.. from Jewish (note that ? "JEWISH") sources.

What I did NOT include in both of the examples from the Porn industry and the hollywood story is the lack of shame on the part of the authors.

Stein says "I don't care if they think we run hollywood, wall st etc.. as long as WE KEEP RUNNING THEM" (did you read that bit in the article ?)

Abrams says "What do we have to be ashamed of?"... did you read that ?

Take it or leave it.

CSTEELE..I have to commend you on this occasion, for rightly pointing out what you did. (credit where credit is due)

To all.. we must avoid like the plague being intimidated by wild and baseless stereotypical accusations of 'anti semitisim' when justified criticism or factual information is presented.

No one to this point has refuted the information provided about how the "Triple Exthnics" and "Hollywood" and "ABOLISH whites" articles contributed to US/THEM. They all come from original Jewish sources.
Ignatiev is also a Marxist.

DISMANTLING "us/them" structures involves the parties involved in creating them.. ceasing doing those things which create, construct and reinforce them. Calling for the abolishing of a 'skin color', undermining a whole society and claiming power over the economy/media is not.. (let me say that again) NOT the way to remove 'us/them' constructs.

Those who think that exposing 'Nazi' thinking before it happens is just 'inciting hatred' are to be blunt..deluded. The same applies to saying exposing 'abolishing'.. 'undermining'..and 'controlling' is to incite hatred etc.

Can anyone..demonstrate how such things help remove 'us/them' situations ?

Evangelicals

Have blood on their hands for the

Death of David Kato

http://tiny.cc/jmctk

Strange way to negate

Difference: by attacking

Jews and gay people

Dear AGIR,

The record is that evangelical Christians can and do murder. Their murderousness is often inspired by the bigotry that Bishop Spong pointed out is endemic in their religion. You deny it. You sit in your little box of hate and self-righteousness.

However, there are signs that even you can be brought out of your box. You recognise the humanity of Hitler when you write of his being influenced to do what he did. Hitler suffered. He was an abused child. His worth was disregarded. He was refusd admission to the school of art in Vienna. Had he been treated with generosity and compassion he might not have looked for a scapegoat to blame his own and other people's problems on.

Recognising that Hitler was human can be a step to freeing yourself from your box of bigotry.

Maybe you can get to the point where you recognise that Muslims, Jews, non-fundamentalist Christians, homesexuals and everybody else are human, too. Maybe you can even get to the point where you look at yourself. I've looked at myself and don't like some of what I see. Some things I can't change, but some I can.

Squeers,

The point I was trying to make was that - as the body's defense against cancer centers around a healthy immune system, our chief defense against intolerance et cetera is our own individual efforts to cleanse our minds of malignant thinking - only we can get rid of the widespread, malignant thoughts that 'other people are the problem." That our way is the right way and that people who disagree with us are "bad." As I stated previously, within each of us lies the disease, and within each of us lies the physician. Many of the things that most of us were brought up to think "could never happen here," have already begun to happen - dangerous scapegoating, violent hate crimes, small-minded intolerance for the views of others. As David f, has pointed out - some things we cannot change, but some we can, beginning with ourselves.

David f.,

My father taught me to question everything. Of course, I don't have the answers to the big questions in life. I'm still on my own road to discovery. But everything is relative; everything has its story; and everyone has obstacles to overcome. They are our greatest teachers.
Each of us goes through transitions and transformations. The important thing is that we acknowledge them and learn from them. Humans are the most extraordinary creatures, and a big part of me still wants to reach an even greater understanding a about who we are.
Not because I need to know more, necessarily, but because I am drawn to the process of discovery.