I have my doubts Belly, my initial reason for instigating this discussion was that I took issues on casual rates and superannuation, and why, because individuals like yourself are so ill informed, it is not around $400 a week and then super kicks in, it actually kicks in if someone makes a mere $450 a month.......does that not put a different light on it for you......

Oh yes, and to add insult to injury that $450 a month is before tax....it just gets worse

just over 400 a week gets no superannuation.
In a caring society which votes for a caring Government Pension/Superannuation should be covered by GST. Put up the GST by 2% and there will be enough for everyone to retire above the breadline. Those who think they should have a better Superannuation have the option of paying more towards it. Paying is the operative word here not employer provided. Public Servants not exempt. Most people would be amazed how much would be in the public coffers if superannuation would need to be optional. It would also be fair. The present system is one of the most immoral aspects of the Public Service. Why the focus on employers all the time not wanting to contribute more. How about asking Public Servants to contribute at least something if they want more than average Super pay-outs ?

"I would dearly love to give them a go" Tooteaze.

Guess my tiredness is catching up with me Belly! Thank you for mentioning as my viewpoints from my own experiences of employers are the same as yours.

The context within my response to Tooteaze was along the lines of: I wish other employers would be fairer to employees and give them a go in life Belly and not 'take take take', instead treating employees in a loyal manner.

You already know my previous views regarding Employers and Employees Belly from previous Rechtub threads.

Sorry, my comments should have read I firmly disagree with contracts and private arrangements between Employers and Employees. On many occasions, employees are greatly disadvantaged.

Those (views) will never change as I have been there done that for many years, along with hundreds of other Australians, burnt by quite a few employers after working 4 hours per day extra x 17 years without overtime, bonuses or a thank you.

Never mind, I contributed to fellow Australians and not bitter.

I am all for paying and operating in a fair and ethical manner, it's not about having my employees work there hearts out for little or no reward, in fact, I, where possible and funds allow, give my employees bonuses for a job well done. Tooteaze.

This was the exact part of Tooteaze's post I was responding to Belly at the time.

Unfortunately there are not many business owners reflecting Tooteaze's ethics, loyalty and fairness towards employees, hence the safeguards of unions.

We are unique:"Unfortunately there are not many business owners reflecting Tooteaze's ethics, loyalty and fairness towards employees"

I disagree completely. I know many many employers and evry one of them knows that the surest way to go broke is to have crappy and crabby employees who are resentful at being poorly looked after.

Very few Australian employers are in the business of exploitation of their employees, while the costs of employing people have become very close to unsustainable for small start-up operations.

I and my partner worked 80+ hour weeks for several years with no employees at all simply to get established. Our hourly rate at the time was probably of the order of $5 an hour, but we kept at it because we could see the potential in the business. We looked frequently at the option of employing people, but simply couldn't see how paying someone who had no stake in the business at least twice as much as we were taking home was going to be a positive step. I believe we were and remain right about that.

These days I emply contractors simply because they have a stake in their own productivity. They are colleagues, not employees and I do well when they do well. I don't have to waste an enormous amount of time and hold a large amount of cashflow aside as contingency for worker's entitlements such as super and long-service leave. My contractors are paid a very fair rate for their work and they can make a great deal more than they could as employees. The proof of the pudding is that my contractors remain where employees are much less stable in my experience. People with no stake in things tend to blow with the wind.

I think you're very much mistaken if you hold the views you expressed above.