I am sure you mean well tooteaz, but not all employers act in a fair and ethical manner. Once a precedent is set you create more opportunities for exploitation.

Given that superannuation is a condition of employment you cannot set up a situation where you end up with a two-speed economy and create greater disparity between the haves and have-nots.

That is the bottom line, it is not that many employers might pay well (maybe even some over the award) or provide other incentives, just simply that a blanket rule ensures fairness.

The problems that arose out of Work Choices certainly provides evidence that most employers will reduce conditions and benefits rather than add to them, in all except niche occupations that already attracted more than there fair share of benefits.

Tooteaz, Australians have seemingly voted against workchoices.

That means that if you can't pay them the award, people think that
those people are better of, sitting on their arses, doing nothing.

That's great whilst the economy is booming of course. Unless
you are the one missing out on the money.

Fair enough, I accept a democractic decision, but if the economy
should teeter at some time in the future and they are screaming
for job creation schemes, like in the Beazley years, I shall remind
them that they can only blame themselves.

Tooteaz

Why is it that we have to resort to extremes when discussing this issue......because people have to get a life going, and while some live in luxury off the backs of others, greedy employers prefer slaving their own country people of peanuts. The award payments are need of urgent reform ( a nice tax cut, then tax the rich off their capital ), however your hearts in the right place, but the equal-opportunity for all working Australians and in general, still has a ways to go.

Of course you'd love to

Give them a go at working

For next to nothing

Bring back Work Choices

Why not go the whole hog and

Bring back slavery?
Posted by Shintaro, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 3:50:30 PM

Nice one....

BLUE

The Greens also secured assurances from the Government that reviews will be carried out of;

* Individual Flexibility Arrangements,
* Award modernisation process, including pay equity,
* employment law services,
* the right to request flexible working hours.

The long-held provision for Exclusive Brethren businessmen to refuse union entry to workplaces has been removed, but the Greens expressed concern that parallel provisions privileging the sect which exist in all states except Victoria still need to be removed.

The Greens' have also ensured the following elements of the Bill:

* The right of parents of children with disabilities to request flexible working arrangements
* A review of individual flexibility arrangements, award modernisation processes, the operation of the right to request flexible working arrangements and employment law services
* Removal of conscientious objection certificates (commonly used by the Exclusive Brethren)

Anyone remember this......nice:)

BLUE

So there you go Tooteaz, if you are an employer, then you must
be rich. In that case, union leaders will do their best to
screw you, for only workers can be poor.

Besides, they need to justify their salaries.

Running a business is seemingly easy and seemingly leads to
riches. Just ask Belly, Pelican and all those others who
made a fortune in business.

So screw those rich employers for whatever we can, that is the
motto.

Well well, Yabby. I have to agree with you on this one :)
I was paying my employees more than myself for a very long time there for a while. But I was the rich one as far as the unions and government were concerned.

They see your investment, capital and growth as your reward and they figure it far out weights what they earn so you must be rich. Funny how they don't include their savings and holdings in their wealth, only their wages :)

If we were to work by their logic, the more they have in wealth, i.e, house, car, holiday house, boat, shares, super, then we employers should be allowed to pay them less :)

But I do agree with the others also, there are some horrible bosses out there and it's not an easy one to solve.