Well it seems this discussion goes the way of all discussions on this subject. No inbetween it has to be the emotionaly hysteria of "poor me" instead of looking for a fair, give and take solution. Providing lower than a living wage casual rate for employees is not one of them and will only set up a disadvantaged sector, it is nothing to do with unemployment vs under-award wages. Unemployment figures are low at the moment and many of the long-term unemployed won't be shaken from their couches for any wage even a generous one.

The biggest imposts for employers is middle class welfare in the form of superannuation, collecting taxes and maternity leave. That is not something I believe should be the purvey of small business. But business is stuck with it and all those costs have to be factored in when forming a business plan. Many businesses still make vast sums of money with those imposts.

Most of these problems can be fixed by reform of the banking system.The basic flaw in our system is that the increases in productivity by individuals are owned by the private banking system.Private banks create the money to equal our productivity as debt.The more growth we have,the more debt we incur.There is never enough money in our economy.30% of our mortgage money is borrowed from OS banks who just create it in their computers.We are borrowing from OS banks to buy our own land.

What's wrong with Govt computers creating new money to equal increases in our productivity?The bank of Nth Dakota is the only Govt owned bank in the USA and it is the best.The Govt of Dakota has an operating surplus.

We are fighting over the crumbs hence there is more and more austerity.

It's not about unions, for or against.

It's not about slave labour..... my mind boggles at that suggestion.

It's not about eroding peoples rights.

It's not about them and us.

It's not about the have's or have not's.....or the perception of same.

What I believe it is about, is giving individuals back their rights, their right to chose whether something is beneficial to them or not, or is it just the government and unions that know what's best for people, has the individual lost their own thought process, I no right from wrong, and I am sure that a good majority of the population does as well. As a people lets get passionate, stand up, have a voice, lead don't be led.

These are my thoughts, I have chosen to post them, I am happy to take on board all responces, good and bad, agree or disagree......that's my choice.

*A pour case of too many chiefs. 25% of Australian small business are just wasting their time.*

So what are you suggesting Blue? That they all close and go on
the dole?

"These are my thoughts, I have chosen to post them, I am happy to take on board all responces, good and bad, agree or disagree......that's my choice."

No problems that is what we are all doing on an opinion site.

The trouble is people use the word "choice" when referring to decisions to accept a less than award rate. If unemployment is high and employers are offering low wages many people will just have to accept those conditions because it will be an employers market. If all the employers are offering the same (in the same way that there is little bank competition) there is no choice.

It is not simply a case of two mature adults making decisions for themselves, it is how the nature of the market might skew those choices during certain periods of economic hardship.

A friend of mine worked in a company in Canada and during the financial crisis all the employees including the management team took a 20% pay cut (I think the managers took more) so that the business would stay afloat and everyone would keep their jobs. However, in that business everyone was salaried and paid above the award or average rates. That is quite a different matter than in the low income sector where the already low rates are in some cases barely a living wage.

Look Yabby....business people want it all there own way.......you just heard our friend here....."Bring back Employer/Employee work place agreements/contracts."

MMMMMMMMMM!

Get ripped off OR go to the beach......not a hard choice, is it.

Union action.......or wait for commonsense to comes back to the land.

Yes....now there's four choices.

Dont you just love democracy:(

Did I mention over-population and greed was one of our problems we face:) with a lack of infrastructure, well! did I or did I not?

Nice try Yabby,

BLU