I am quite a bit cooler now than I was last night.
I do try not to return serve, and I am too touchy.
See UNLIKE some conservatives I require better from EVERY politician.
And maybe ask too much of some posters, after all I ask for balance, it takes understanding to give that clearly some do not have that.
Joe,tell me it is not true, arranged a multi million dollar interest free loan for his son, now be careful it happened.
That brown paper bag in his office existed stuffed with money.
I see the slanted views, know some Labor people are criminals.
SEE HOWEVER some conservatives truly, unbelievable, hide or even except corruption from their team.
How can we ever? find a better out come if our most vocal conservatives defend such as this man , yet impose anti Labor views that are often untrue.
I offer my history of challenging them, 3 constant harpers, to like me start a thread that targets the bad in their team.
No one has ever taken the challenge, that shouts from the roof tops to me, third grade politicians can be forgiven if they are conservatives by a few.
Individual I take it back you should avoid politics/history you know little about the subject it may be the rose colored glasses you wear.

What a bunch of tossers. I've just watched the Wivenhoe Dam save my business. I don't give 2 hoots about Jackboots Joh and his cronies or any of the other ill-educated, misremebered twaddle that the chardonnay Socialists here are spouting. I marched in protest against several things that Joh did while I was a student, but the Dam was a genuinely inspired project that would never have occurred under the incompetence and mismanagement of a Labor Govt. If it had somehow been conceived by the slow-witted comrades it would have cost billions more than necessary and would probably not even be finished now.

The inflows to this flood were equivalent or exceeded the 1893 levels, which was a flood much, much larger than 1974.

I'm very glad that none of us had to experience that and it was all down to the Wivenhoe. That alone is a legacy that wipes out many, many sins in my mind.

There are thousands of people whose homes didn't go under who would agree with me.

It is good to see OLO userID 'Antiseptic' transitting the 'Users currently online' display this morning. His computer at least must be dry, and powered, whether by mains or battery.

Antiseptic, in his post of Tuesday, 11 January 2011 at 5:46:43 PM, with respect to the Brisbane floods, said:

"My premises went under to about 1.5m in 1974
to the best of my ability to research. The
projection is that the flood will stop about
a metre below my place, ..."

I'd be interested to know how accurate the forecast turned out to be, Antiseptic, now that we hear that the floodwaters are generally receding in the Brisbane River. What I have been hearing on Channel 7's rolling coverage of the event in the last 12 hours or so is that the flood peak at the Brisbane Port gauge was 4.46 metres, about one metre below the reading of 5.45 metres recorded in 1974. Did that difference translate to you getting about 0.5 metres through your premises, or did you escape flooding entirely as your earlier post indicated you might?

Returning more expressly to Hasbeen's topic, I note individual's comment that "Joh is not being praised here, only people who know better ...". Quite right. Joh's government was pretty much a one-man-band so far as policy direction was concerned, and that being so, that meant that in such matters as hydrological assessments and water infrastructure planning, he depended upon, and implemented, the good departmental advice then available to him. It will be interesting to see the extent to which the implementation of that advice, as far as it was allowed by others to go, may have been effective in mitigating the effects of this present flood.

I only wish I had been aware of J.V.Hodgkinson's webpage on the proposed Wolfdene Dam when posting to the OLO article 'What's a bone dry city worth?' in 2007. I used to think I had gone in a bit too hard with this post, http://bit.ly/hVYjTo . Not any more!

Hasbeen:>> I was not a great fan of Joh in the day. However I have come to realize since then that he did a much better job for the people of the state than anyone has since.<<

Cronyism, nepotism, back hander’s, scratch my back and I scratch yours, are all part and parcel of politics, and every state and federal government have been guilty of it to varying extents.

Both Petersen and Askin employed these tools liberally, the difference was Joh built the Wivenhoe, Hinz, and Burdekin dams and Bob built none.

Joh abolished death duties and the influx of retirees from other states laid the platform for the building of the Gold Coast, Bob demolished Sydney’s inner city architectural heritage.

Joh wanted long hair lay about to cop a flogging to keep them in line, Bob wanted to run over them in his car.

Hasbeen both were political bastards but one delivered sizeable infrastructure to his constituents. Both feathered their own nests and that of their family, friends, mates, and associates, but one was a performer and one was a dud.

I hated both governments with a passion but after they went Qld was left with massive infrastructure and corruption NSW was just left with massive corruption.

Forrest, the predictions were excellent. Feet are dry and the only problem is that we don't have power. The poor people on lower ground have suffered terribly.

Nifty attempted to be as big a criminal as Askin, he almost made it.
But he gave Sydney Darling Harbor, few today would remember the awful things said about it then, even less would not revel in its beauty today.
Antiseptic don't drink it but you are in fact seeming to say accountability for politicians does not matter if they do some thing you like.
Indi is not alone, I will lower my expectations from you too, but lets not forget next time you uncover a Labor fraud I may find some good things about him/her.
NSW leader has a nice hair style thats about it, Rudd still looks good on TV but does he mean what he says?
Get in there you Polly's make a quick shilling history, or rather your version off it,will forget your bad points if you are a conservative