individual. You are a 'try hard' with your blind faith in a patently bad period in our politics.

There is no shame in being a Tory and recognising that your political group contains corrupt people, as it did without any question -see the Fitzgerald Enquiry- and as it no doubt still does -see 'human behaviour'.

Belly, cannot be charged with being a denier of corruption within his branch of the ALP (state branch at least) or the influence of that corruption on the running of the federal ALP. He is honest about the failures he sees, and everyone else knows about.

Joh did get rid of death duties, first, but not alone. And yes, his actions did produce a trickle of whiteshoe people to Qld to escape paying their dues.

The better question you, indeed all of us, could ask is why did the media not expose the blatant corruption during the Joh years, or Askin years for that matter?

Why did it take one Courier Mail journo and one TV reporter to bring down Joh?

The important question is why did 'ordinary people' avoid the corruption and pretend Qld was not corrupt?

Are we like all those Nazi era townsfolk who 'knew nothing' about the extermination of Jews and others at the army camp where they all worked?

What is it within our community that silences people and blinds them from hearing and seeing the bleeding obvious?

Queenslanders knew of the dodgy dealing under Joh, stretching right out into the furthest country towns. This took expression in the way the numerous 'boards' were organised and positions filled. By 'boards' I mean the hospital, fire and ambulance boards.

All filled with National Party cronies and, how strange, all buying their equipment from the local businesses whose owners filled the various board positions.

And this is what Abbott wants our hospitals to return to. Thanks Tony!

Our schools were abysmal, our hospitals under resourced, roads were good in safe National seats only, the police were corrupt beyond belief,public monies were handed out to mates.

Corruption should not be praised, individual.

individual:>> Why is it that people could see corruption 30years ago but not today. Is it because todays corruption is dished out by their political party ? Also, don't forget that most of the anti Joh brigade weren't/aren't Queenslanders.<<

There is a load of credence in your statement, but Qld was a fiefdom, no doubt. Another factor of the times was the change in the voting age from 21 to 18. That also impacted on the Joh government of the time. Perhaps the old cane cutters and white shoe brigade were pro Joh but the youth were not.

IF I AM EXILED I can not let you get away with that individual.
Time and again Sir you lay that charge against me.
Read power without glory, see NSW after march ,try to understand even my post here, excluding ANY RIGHT WING power broker in this NSW government from any measure of honest politicians.
I am forced Sir to devalue your thought process, it looks clear you, not me, can not see wrong on your side.
Sir Robert Askin, was as bent as Joe, no more no less, while not as good at it as Askin Nifty Nev ,who followed Askin too was bent.
Joe was worse than any leader of any state and you have to consider this.
If you are able that is.
Do ANY OF US need to support our party from truth honesty and accountability?
If Sir you want to hide any party's faults then hide them all,and your head too.
Last, think about this, truly think , AUSTRALIA sees the suffering in Queensland, it hurts us all, every one of us,we will give nation wide a great deal.
I will give more than I can afford, then a bit more, we all should have a quite month, Aussies are in trouble.
You slander me, often, but here you remind posters I AM NOT EVEN FROM QUEENSLAND,
Shame mate shame.
I have little regard for any one who thinks we are anything other than Aussies to gether.

Where's Hasbeen; Probably likin his wounds or something else, since that rediculous opening line that set this fred in motion.

No wounds to lick here 579, as I told you, I was not a great fan of Joh in the day. However I have come to realise since then that he did a much better job for the people of the state than anyone has since.

I think there is a fair bit of garbage about any corruption by Joh himself, although perhaps not by some of his ministers.

Joh did not come out of parliament a wealthy man. He had very little more than the property he started with. You don't have to look too deep to see many since him who made much more for themselves while in the ministry in QLD. You also find many more Labor retired politicians who are set up with company directorships, bought with favours given while they were in power.

The lefties don't hate Joh for his corruption, after all, they are very used to that with their own mob, no they hate him because he did a Maggie, & stopped the growth of radical unionism, stone dead. That was his unforgivable sin.

I love the way you turn a phrase 579. Succinct, colourful and with a dash of humour.

I somehow think Joh's wealth was sucked up by defending himself, his push for PM, and a bunch of dodgy investments encouraged most likely by the very same people he had been feeding the taxpayers money all those years.

As I said Joh wasn't so bright Hasbeen. You had to be there to understand the man.