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A clash of 'rights'- Secular vs Christian?
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Posted by Pericles, Monday, 13 December 2010 6:40:08 PM
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http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nsw/child-agencys-background-checks-under-cloud-20101213-18vi0.html
"Internal documents seen by the Herald reveal that in October, 14 per cent of the 573 foster carers in the Sydney area did not have the legally mandated Working With Children Check, which includes a check of relevant criminal records. As well, 63 per cent did not have the more extensive Criminal Record Check, as required by LWB policy. The agency went into overdrive to try to correct the situation. LWB outsources much recruitment of foster carers in NSW to about 30 contractors with no special qualifications. The contractors are paid $350 to assess potential carers. For providing 24-hour support, they are paid a continuing fee of between $150 and $200 a week per child placed with carers. The system provides a financial incentive for contractors to support their carers. But it also provides an incentive to minimise problems. ''There's a financial incentive to keep the child with the carer even if the carer is not up to the plate,'' a former manager said." Then this bit which I think the previous part explained... “ An LWB spokeswoman said more than 97 per cent of LWB's children had only one or two placements in a year, compared with a 47.5 per cent rate for the whole sector.” Posted by Jewely, Monday, 13 December 2010 11:10:58 PM
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Jewely, Thank you once again for producing hard facts relative to this issue, it is a welcome contrast to ideology.
Another point that I would like to make is that the freedom of religion that so many babble about, should also encompass freedom from religion for those of us that do not respect it as a basis for decision making in either of individual or societal contexts. Children, whose minds are incapable of assessing the right or wrong of the many and varied religious beliefs on offer, should not be inculcated with such ideologies until able to form a reasoned opinion by themselves. To get back to the start; I do not consider Christians suitable for the role of foster carers, unless they can refrain from indoctrinating the children given into their care. Posted by Epsilon, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 3:50:40 PM
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Epsilon:”To get back to the start; I do not consider Christians suitable for the role of foster carers, unless they can refrain from indoctrinating the children given into their care.”
That would mean looking at different kinds of care, permanent care is very much an open adoption so I imagine any family with children under those terms are very much raising a child as their own. They are not allowed to by the way not that it is monitored in any way. Other services provided such as short term carers are under no delusions (or shouldn’t be) about the child not being their own and the child is hopefully in regularly contact with their own family. Now a short term carer of the non-religo variety can cruise through even with children from very Christian households. Neither confirm nor deny is rather easy with children. They can believe in god and be allowed their belief. No harm no foul. Hopefully a Christian home would leave the non-believing child from a non-believing family alone. If they don’t understand the concepts DoCS staff will explain it to them. A child not interested in certain gods or certain types of vegetables is not to be bothered in any way by the adults making those choices for them. Foster parents often forget that they don’t actually run the show and these children are supposed to have choices. Epsilon have you filed a compensation claim? I would if I were you, far too many children have exited care without it being done for them. Posted by Jewely, Tuesday, 14 December 2010 4:29:26 PM
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>>Please take a moment to read the following:<<
If you are unable to put together a straightforward answer in 350 words, then it is likely to be all waffle and obfuscation.
I simply pointed out that as far as my religious education was concerned, the whole deal about Jesus was that he was supposed to be human. If he had just been "magic man" doing magic things, then what was so special about the crucifixion that you folks go on about?
Which is why I described your dodging and weaving as arrogant "you just wouldn't understand" condescension.
"Christology" can only possibly be of interest to Christians, who have allowed themselves to believe everything - sorry, just the good bits - in the Bible. So my observation was, obviously, from the viewpoint of an interested bystander. Therefore there's no point responding to that by using as an answer the very thing I was questioning.
It's like one of my kids asking "what are those things in the sky, daddy", and getting the reply "here's a book on astrophysics, son. Let me know when you've finished it - there's plenty more where that came from"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophysics
Get the picture?