Boaz, you obviously have this "thing" about anal sex.

The thought of it, even in a heterosexual environment, clearly makes you uncomfortable.

You don't seem to have the same squeamishness about "the female 'pleasure central'".

Which is good.

It is therefore not too much of a stretch for you to take on board the fact that some women are equally attracted to the area. I suspect that you wouldn't be at all surprised they may find desirable and exciting exactly the same features that you do.

That, too, is homosexuality. We call that form of female/female attraction lesbianism, and it, too, has been around for thousands of years.

Clearly, those folk who wrote your Bible didn't know much about it, so it didn't get too many mentions. Paul, that crusty, unworldly old bachelor, makes the only reference when lecturing the Romans, but the rest is... silence.

So do tell, Boaz: where do ladies fit into your "it disgusts me" judgment on human activity? What is it about what they do in the privacy of their own lives that makes you squirm, given that you have an entirely different view of the "parts" involved?

AGiR,
It's disturbing to think that our society has come to this.
That people have so deconstructed their own minds
that up is down, black is white and sad is gay.
I still find it incredible even though it's in constant display.
I used to think they were merely playing the devil's advocate
but now I realise they're for real.
What you see is what you get.
Who would have thought the rot could go so deep?
Keep up the good work.

Quite a lively thread ! Good.

CSTEELE... you are getting just a tad 'pharisaical' yourself there old son, but here is your question:

"do you agree that legislation that addresses the issue should, as Focus on the Family want, specifically exclude sexual orientation and gender identity?"

I'd need to look more closely at their actual position, but to my mind, it is appropriate to include gender orientation as a 'factual' aspect of sex ed. I do NOT believe for even a microsecond that other than the 'fact' of people expressing sexual desires in a homo/bi manner any supportive or normative comment/value judgement should be made in such classes.

The far more important issue is NOT 'how I can get the best sex'...but how I can be a worthwhile member of the community with the promoted context being heterosexual.

I have very LITTLE sympathy for any person calling themselves 'bi' sexual, because it's reallllly simple...if you can find satisfaction as a man with a female, then why stuff it up and start anally messing around with men, just so you can have a 'complete' sexual experience.

If I was going to recommend condemming something by way of value judgement, "Bi" sexual behavior would be a strong candidate.

PERICLES... when it comes to women with women...I don't find it so icky personally, strange ? dunno.. but the principle applies, quite apart from whether "I" feel icky about this or that. I do however find lesbian behavior morally wrong, and I just echo those words of Paul which apparently you know know very well...*good*.

Let's not get 'anally' sidetracked here.. the ISSUE is about a clash of rights and which set of them comes up trumps.

I maintain that the homosexual lobby will NEVER be satisfied with 'equality'.... they are far too vengeful for that.

PROXY... we keep it up because when we do nothing...evil triumphs.

Dear AJ... you made a good attempt to argue your case.. for that you must be commended.

You also say:

Religion (deserves) a battering

and

Societies that have allowed gay marriage and adoption aren’t falling apart.

Well.. in your first bit you are simply confirming my assertion in the last previous post. "vengeful"

In your second? well..I have to disagree, but I don't expect Mt Dandenong to suddenly pour out hot lava and tar on the Peel Street Hotel in Collingwood. Point being, you cannot observe the impact on a society over such a short period of time.

Secondly, you also need to take into consideration the cumulative impact of many small changes. More to come on that as I open a new thread if approved.

"PROXY... we keep it up because when we do nothing...evil triumphs."

Interestingly the gay lobby and other human rights groups argue the same thing in reference to intolerance and persecution.

The USA has San Francisco and Australia has Melbourne.........What the problem?..........Oh that's right........ALGOREisRICH lives there:)

BLUE