Bonmot ,there are new parties germinating as we speak.One is called the Sovereignity Party which presently has 200 members and needs another 300 to register.I'm looking at them and will decide to join if they have enough safe guards in place to keep them free of Corporate power and have a credible leadership.To me the Greens are no alternative.They are winning votes by default.

I'm not recommending the Sovereignity Party but it is time to look around for alternatives.Perhaps you know of some new movements evolving.

Ah, a case of the computer modelists not being able to see the lake for the flooding rain.

As an old farmer said to me not long ago "the bigger the dry, the bigger the flood that follows". Its happened before and lord knows it will happen again.

Hasbeen
1st para: They are your words, not mine. You don't have to like the IPCC, but why can't you accept the science they reference? The scientists, after all, are ordinary citizens (in all that implies) - just like you and me.
2nd para: I do use the physics, thanks. I don't defer to the UN, I defer to the wealth of science that is referenced in the IPCC reports - I'm not an expert in everything, as the 'post-normal scientists' sitting in their armchairs here think they are.
3rd para: Wikileaks & Guardian report? If you can't link, why should I bother?
4th para: It's late Sunday, I'm off to bed - fair dinkum.

Arjay
Thanks for that. To answer your question first - no, I don't.
They're all piranhas swimming in the same septic fish bowl, imo. Small ones are too small to count, big ones just play games with the minnows. If 'we' want real change 'we' have to have a real leader - I don't see any on the horizon. Besides, the power, control and money is vested in dumbing down those without. Sweet dreams :)

Bonmot.

"There just seems to be more venomous strikes and bile spits around than I ever would have expected."

Yes....it makes one wonder why that would be the attitude since we're all in the same fish bowl:)

BLUE

Thanks for that bonmot, just another false profit, echoing the rubbish from the UN.

If you don't know their last report has been discredited by so many people, it looks like a colander, you are way behind mate.

Were you told to do your bit, for the dying cause, or was it all your own idea?

You're the one holding yourself up as the expert, go do some reading, & get yourself informed. I would have thought any expert would be following the Wikileaks releases. Of course, some experts keep their eyes closed, so they can't see anything that may disagree with their preconceptions.

Hasbeen
You assert that “their (IPCC's) last report has been discredited by so many people”. Show us these “so many people”, who are they?

"Looks like a colander" - that really is stretching it. Tell me, which bits or chapters do you have issue with?

As far as I understand, the IAC (amongst others) have conducted a comprehensive inquiry into the IPCC and while some administrative and procedural issues were identified (and are being addressed) - the science is sound.

That's important Hasbeen, the science. Look mate, you keep telling me to go do some physics, then more physics – as if you understand the stuff. So, tell me precisely, what or which part of the physics do you think I don’t understand. If I can help you, I will.

Ok, I know about Wikileaks – what have they/it got to do with the laws of heat transfer or indeed, global condensation being the new threat? Or is it you just wanted to throw another red herring into the discussion?