This is the wettest inauguration of summer we've had in 60 years.Di hydrogen monoxide is now replacing carbon dioxide as the new Global threat.This evil,diabolical molecule has more global warming potential than C02 but Europe is experiencing record low temps and now our summer is looking cool and wet.

We need to tax di-hydrogen monoxide and stop its insidious change of climate.The world is supposed to be getting hotter.This is against all devine climate law proclaimed by the intergovermental panel on climate change.This is heresy and the gods need to be chastised for changing climate patterns not approved by mortal authorities and their computer models.

So rid yourself of this evil poison di-hydrogen monoxide along with carbon dioxide and save the planet.You cannot be a born again AGW deity,until you worship at the alter of denial.

Hehehe!

What is Dihydrogen Monoxide?

"""
Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.
"""

This is scary stuff, Arjay much more urgency for a tax on this stuff, it will kill you quick smart.

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

This stuff should be banned outright!

Service stations have been inserting this stuff in the bottom of their
petrol tanks for years. It insures that customers will be back to get their cars repaired.

I'll bet you didn't know that.

[Distasteful.]

Dihydrogen monoxide is also found in 100% of malignant tumours.

Supposedly cancer cannot survive without it.

Bush, Rumsfeld and Rice were all known to surreptitiously ingest Dihydrogen monoxide shortly before 9/11.

What more proof is needed?

I also heard they were very fond of using it as a means of torture, Pericles. Another good reason to ban the substance.

Yes Raw Maustard ,you cannot do waterboarding without it.

I still have an open mind on AGW,however I think it has been grossly exaggerated by both Corp and Govt interests to screw the masses yet again.Hence I will take my opportunities to drive the sword of reason deep into their deceptions.

Arjay, basic school physics/chemistry explains it all very well. If you add energy to a system, it gets hotter. As it gets hotter, water evaporates. The more water evaporated, the more it falls out as rain or snow, somewhere.

Ok, I've simplified a very complex system - but you get the drift.

Ergo, it does NOT go "against all devine climate law proclaimed by the intergovermental panel on climate change".

It reinforces it.

Bonmot;How do then explain the last 7-10 yrs of drought,if AGW is causing more evaporation,thus condensation? How do you explain expodential increases in CO2 in this period with no increases in average global temps?

Is global warming causing global cooling?

1. In Australia? Check out B0M - changing weather/rainfall patterns
2. Separate the signal (climate) from the noise (natural variability)
3. The globe is not cooling

Welcome bonmot, you are in for a hard time here.
Those who believe, include me, get little air ,oh we have our say.
But are rebutted even ignoring evidence,but such is life enjoy see you in other threads.

What the IPCC says is no longer relevant,
It really just does not matter any more.
Whether the CO2 causes temperature rises or not no longer matters.

No wonder there’s so much confusion here; the correct name for the stuff is oxygen dihydride (OH2)!

Arjay,

And what is one of the countries with abundant supplies of hydric acid ? Sweden ! What more proof do you want ?!

Just watch: they (or their capitalist [or is that socialist?] stooges) will be demanding that all food contain a certain percentage of 'their' product pretty soon, knowing full well that it is addictive. They will force it on babies and small children. They will even demand its use in the dilution of beer: 'light beer', they'll call it.

B@stards !

Joe

Thank you Belly, I do feel I'm entering a 'snake pit' despite the fact I have other things to attend to. Yet, OLO does seem to be a refreshing site for anyone to present their personal opinion - regardless the rightness or wrongness. I must admit, it is challenging (if not frustrating) to get some people to drink the water you know about and have led them to. Am I up to it? Time will tell.

Actually, it should be called noxious acid.

It’s those hydrogen radicals that make it an acid. We’ve got sulphuric acid (H2SO4), carbonic acid (H2C03), hydrochloric acid (HCl), oxalic acid (H2C204) and a million other acids.

So H2O should be called oxous acid (oxic acid is what we erroneously know as hydrogen peroxide (H202) )!

Or commonly referred to as noxious acid, and with good reason given all the terrible deleterious effects it has, as expressed above in this thread. ( :>/

I think that CO2 is having an effect on climate but not to the degree that the so called experts espouse.There is an economic agenda here, ie carbon taxes ,money which will find its way into the derivative carbon trading scam,just like the water trading scam which the Liberal Party instigated.

We cannot trust any of our main stream parties,since personal self interest over rides soverignty and the national interest.

Well Arjay as less and less oil, gas and coal is burned then less CO2
will be released, so as many people worry about it, they will have less
and less to worry about.

Long before the 2050 time that some worry about we will be trying to
get by on about 30% of the oil we currently use.
I think the point is that is a greater reduction than the IPCC & others
were planning for in their projections.

When the IPCC and other wake up to recent developments it will be
interesting to hear their attitudes. Governments could for instance
abandon emmission controls, carbon taxes etc.
Interestingly I have not seen any comment from the CanCom conference
about the Uppsala findings.
It could mean that no decisions are needed by that conference.

bonmot,<< I do feel I'm entering a 'snake pit' despite the fact I have other things to attend to >>

Firstly, please give some consideration to the poor snakes. Secondly if you have other things to attend to, please take your time.

Ok spindoc, got it:

1. You don't appreciate metaphors

2. You metaphorically tell me to 'piss-off'

No wonder people are confused :(

Bonmot.

Dont worry too much about some of the old snakes around here....they do mean well:)

BLUE

Arjay: "There is an economic agenda here" - got to agree with you there (and Ottmar Edenhofer).

"We cannot trust any of our main stream parties,since personal self interest over rides sovereignty and the national interest."

Can I ask then, which NON-mainstream parties do you think we should trust?

True Blue
I'm actually quite fond of snakes, all shapes and sizes. Though as anyone familiar with them will say, you just have to know which ones are venomous, and which ones are not.

There just seems to be more venomous strikes and bile spits around than I ever would have expected.

Bonmot, what would you expect.

You come on here, declaring you are the new profit, here to lead us to the truth, then have the hide to quote the IPCC as if it was the source of anything even approaching the truth.

If you have that physics, I'd suggest you try using it, rather than defer to an organisation like the UN. Those who offer an organisation like the UN their future on a plate are sure to find a side dish of bull dust used to cover the hidden agenda.

So, after you bone up on the laws of heat transfer, try studying the Guardian report on the latest from Wikileaks.

Once you have absorbed that little lot, think again about using anything from the UN as a reference. If you're fair dinkum, rather than a fellow traveler, it will be the last time you do.

Bonmot ,there are new parties germinating as we speak.One is called the Sovereignity Party which presently has 200 members and needs another 300 to register.I'm looking at them and will decide to join if they have enough safe guards in place to keep them free of Corporate power and have a credible leadership.To me the Greens are no alternative.They are winning votes by default.

I'm not recommending the Sovereignity Party but it is time to look around for alternatives.Perhaps you know of some new movements evolving.

Ah, a case of the computer modelists not being able to see the lake for the flooding rain.

As an old farmer said to me not long ago "the bigger the dry, the bigger the flood that follows". Its happened before and lord knows it will happen again.

Hasbeen
1st para: They are your words, not mine. You don't have to like the IPCC, but why can't you accept the science they reference? The scientists, after all, are ordinary citizens (in all that implies) - just like you and me.
2nd para: I do use the physics, thanks. I don't defer to the UN, I defer to the wealth of science that is referenced in the IPCC reports - I'm not an expert in everything, as the 'post-normal scientists' sitting in their armchairs here think they are.
3rd para: Wikileaks & Guardian report? If you can't link, why should I bother?
4th para: It's late Sunday, I'm off to bed - fair dinkum.

Arjay
Thanks for that. To answer your question first - no, I don't.
They're all piranhas swimming in the same septic fish bowl, imo. Small ones are too small to count, big ones just play games with the minnows. If 'we' want real change 'we' have to have a real leader - I don't see any on the horizon. Besides, the power, control and money is vested in dumbing down those without. Sweet dreams :)

Bonmot.

"There just seems to be more venomous strikes and bile spits around than I ever would have expected."

Yes....it makes one wonder why that would be the attitude since we're all in the same fish bowl:)

BLUE

Thanks for that bonmot, just another false profit, echoing the rubbish from the UN.

If you don't know their last report has been discredited by so many people, it looks like a colander, you are way behind mate.

Were you told to do your bit, for the dying cause, or was it all your own idea?

You're the one holding yourself up as the expert, go do some reading, & get yourself informed. I would have thought any expert would be following the Wikileaks releases. Of course, some experts keep their eyes closed, so they can't see anything that may disagree with their preconceptions.

Hasbeen
You assert that “their (IPCC's) last report has been discredited by so many people”. Show us these “so many people”, who are they?

"Looks like a colander" - that really is stretching it. Tell me, which bits or chapters do you have issue with?

As far as I understand, the IAC (amongst others) have conducted a comprehensive inquiry into the IPCC and while some administrative and procedural issues were identified (and are being addressed) - the science is sound.

That's important Hasbeen, the science. Look mate, you keep telling me to go do some physics, then more physics – as if you understand the stuff. So, tell me precisely, what or which part of the physics do you think I don’t understand. If I can help you, I will.

Ok, I know about Wikileaks – what have they/it got to do with the laws of heat transfer or indeed, global condensation being the new threat? Or is it you just wanted to throw another red herring into the discussion?

Don't worry Monbot, none of it matters any longer.
The IPCC projections are now of no concern as there will not be enough
CO2 available to cause real problems.

see

This URL is a reference to a paper by Prof Kjell Aleklett and others
at Upsalla University.

http://www.tsl.uu.se/uhdsg/Publications/IPCC_article.pdf

It is 26 pages and a slow read.
This is an easier read,

http://tinyurl.com/yhqn2pv

So all the argument of the last few years pro AGW or anti AGW is over.
It does not matter who was right and who was wrong.

Yeah, seen that Bazz - not bad. Was also impressed with Rutledge's work a couple of years ago. There is a growing body of research that seriously questions SRES projections and if I understand correctly, these issues will be addressed by AR5 (sorry, don't know all the details yet).

Anyway, I think it far too premature to come out with such definitive statements, such as you've made - there always seems to be a sting in the tail - at least that's what I've experienced.

Bonmot,be skeptical about Wikileaks.Read between the lines.see http://mycatbirdseat.com/ This is a good site that has some very credible contributors.

But, Bonmot, notice that the writer of that paper sounds Swedish. What might that tell you, hmmm ? The Oxous Acid Plot thickens.

And what is Swedish for 'metaphor' ? 'Metafor' !

Pure coincidence ? I think not !

Everything is connected in the sub-world of conspiracies: after all, who is pursuing Assange - on some trumped-up charge, which won't hold water !

So are we all just red herrings in a septic fish-bowl - or are we the piranhas in a colander ?

Arjay, what more proof do they need ? It's just lucky that there are a few of us who can read between the lines .....

Joe