Thanks belly.

What I meant was, is that the religious people do have a good point. I don't know if you have ever watched the super-nanny-USA......well....what a bunch of brats. ( UK,AUST,AND in many other countries ) and parents wonder why little Johnny/Jenny is such a disrespectful, uncontrollable cheeky pill-popping ADHD addict.

http://tinyurl.com/235x59b

Just read some of the comments at the bottom.



Smacking children from 2to5 years is highly important in my view, however as always some will disagree. Once the boss has made the call on who's, who's in the house-hold food-chain, I myself have had 15 years of order and harmony with showing early what the adult says, go's.

It works a charm. After the age of five, I've had little to NO problem what so ever, thanks to early discipline. Again! some will disagree, but when you can take your children any-where and they show good and well behaved self-control, and then you see others pulling their hair out..........well...........Dont my family look good:)
I pity some parents..........my children just look on horrified when theirs totally loose it.


Gore:) What a cold description.

"You have absolutely ZERO right (if you are an atheist) to criticize any other persons approach to discipline, because after all.. we are simply meaningless 'blobs' of organism and flesh."

BLUE

"You have absolutely ZERO right (if you are an atheist) to criticize any other persons approach to discipline, because after all.. we are simply meaningless 'blobs' of organism and flesh."

No-one said meaningless but we are organisms of flesh but that does not mean humans with their higher order intellect don't have spirit however that might be defiend.

That is the view of a Christian about atheism but the atheist might argue that conjuring up a false God to worship or to instil morality is equally meaningless when the ability to love, tendency to altruism and to form bonds lies within - with or without religion.

It worries me more that people with religion believe that without it they would commit horrific acts or crimes. You are better than that - but you do what you need to do to get you through and atheists in all their different colours will continue to wait for proof of the supernatural.

I would not use Christianity as a prop for flogging children.
Not while we know just how bad some kids have been treated in such.
What we may find hard to understand is Christianity is not part of the lives of most family's and has no real impact on this thread.
A balanced view is my way sometimes you just must lightly slap a kid, in such times you should remember it is your failure to teach the child that bought about that need.

Deepblue,

It may have worked, but that doesn't mean it was necessary. There are better and more effective ways to teach children than by hitting them. Smacking is the easy way out and all the excuses in the world won't justify it when there are alternatives which are just as effective. It is just the easiest option for people who have no self control.

You know TCM and belly, I would of thought the comment I made would of caused a land-slide of disapproval, however correcting a child with the technique we have devised showed the child, "that if you don't like it done to you' don't do it to others" ( repetition ) and that was the basic principle, along with explaining to the child with up-most patience's about what the act was that needed correcting.

Again TCM, the proof is in the pudding. All have a healthy respect for all things, and even in the animal kingdom........ all in some way or form put their siblings order and not for any other reason than to teach.

And you do know out-of-control-siblings are good for business:)

This NO smacking policy was introduced by the religious factions from the US and we just simply followed them as we keep doing.
Anyway...talking and correcting in the one frame does in-fact serve a duel roll.

Belly said....

"I would not use Christianity as a prop for flogging children.
Not while we know just how bad some kids have been treated in such.

Yes your quite right, but its funny that they are the one's that are the least in trouble. I think it all comes down to good parenting and balance.

TCM said...

"It is just the easiest option for people who have no self control."

I disagree with that entirely............Loosing control will just destroy the child trust in you ETC....

Like I've said, while my children were growing up" quote....Its all 50/50. and they know what that means:)

I do have reasonably long and neat ways of explaining things, well that's what they say to me still:)

BLU

Proverbs 23:13Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. (KJV)

Dear ALG, as you are I believe biblical literalist I think it is not for you to call this a just a principle. The use of the rod is reaffirmed many times in scripture and as a follower of the good book any discipline you melt should involve this divinely decreed implement.

Dear runner,

When Robert called your passion for smacking 'scary' you replied;

“Don't be scared mate, my kids have gone on to achieve highly at uni, sport and in the workplace. The social engineers have been proven completely wrong. What is scary is those who have a 'passion' to lead their kids to believe their are no consequences for bad. behaviour. That is largely why we have the violence today among teens and young adults. What you find is a few smacks early on prevent a lot more drugs later on.”

When I brag about my children I tend to focus on them being kind, gentle, compassionate, and happy. I have never smacked either of them.

Perhaps our priorities are just different.