We all have opinions, sometimes based on what we know or think we do.
Some opinions come from some thing we read on the paper our fish and chips came in.
We each of us, value our opinions, what is it that lets us all stick to our views.
Well we do not.
We learn from others opinions and evolve little by little, often turning our opinions right around.
Like Arthur the Fonz we humans find it hard to say I was wrong.
Even harder to stop having opinions, if ever we stop thinking differently I think humanity will stop learning and be in real trouble.

your,..best post ever...
yes its great..we all have differing..intrests..
and hold firm opinions..based..on our experiences..derived..from them

and then..in the next/moment....prove
we're..only huh?-man...and change*.. them

i know..i have...many*..times
[i blame?/..credit..you amoung others...lol]

its funny...but also great

one can only*..enjoy...that we..are able*..to change
[as change...is the one constant]..

anyhow...here is..another change*

a short-post..from me

cheers...br-other

Belly,
Yes we all have opinions, and in my opinion uog is a pain in the bum, as he/she writes posts in his/her own code and others have to waste time trying to decipher them.

I don't try now, I just ignore them.

I also wonder when you will change your opinion and agree that the much softer approach by your beloved Labor government has resulted in the influx of boat people and is responsible for the deaths of about 170 of those trying to get here. Wheres the compassion in that!

dont be..*destracted..by ban-jo
reply..the topic..people

the mess-age...!
not..the messenger

ok thats..my opinion
wrote..

why..you bother..ban-jo?

opinions..are like buttt/holes
we all..got one

feel better...now?

Of course we will always have opinions. Our thinking has gotten that advanced now, it's sometimes an issue to actually not think. I used to say, I wish I never knew any better, because, if I didn't know any better, then I wouldn't know what I was missing out on.

See in the little secluded villages, where there is no technology, no outside influences, the villagers live such a simple life. No stress, just the day to day things. They don't worry about their future, just let life take place naturally.

Here on the other hand, we seem to think and worry about all the little things. The more complex you are, the more stress you get. Stress about a little crease in your shirt, the dirty looks you get, the things people say, money, the suffering of others you hear in the news. We have these feelings because we are compassionate creature with advanced senses and thinking.

What some of us forget, is although we life in a developed country, there is still so much we should be grateful for. Technology and information for one, and how our lives have become more manageable thanks to all of what is around us. Furniture, transport, supermarkets, electricity, etc.

Can you imagine if we suddenly lost all of that? Can you survive then? Be self-sufficient? Compete with the rest of society to survive, without all what we have now.

Life is great! We only have once chance to life it, so I hope you live your life to the fullest, the way you choose to life it. :) Now think about that for a change...

Enjoy Melbourne Cup Day everyone!! :)

Wisdom is the knowledge to understand why things are, how the are. -E.T.

Well Banjo I want to pat one under God on the back.
His posts are very much better and like myself he has tried hard to make it so.
Jinny, you have wisdom too in that post, let me share this, stress has been with me all my life.
Some times, few want to admit this, the black dog kept us both company.
It never stopped me being me.
My best asset always was the need to do better.
Opinions, like grains of sand on the beach are never ending.
Bazz, adds to my idea we value our own more than others.
Bazz no defense, my party's policy's lead to more boat people.
I know that, you charge us with those deaths? uncharitable and unwise Howard bought about far more.
Do I want boats to stop? yes but Australia , massively, is better than you from one side and I from the other are.
We are not sending the Navy out to sink them, our opinions seem wrong here.
Opinions, ideas thought drive us on wards forever no change can come without opinions right and wrong.
I invite posters to add any stated ideas that have been proving right or wrong by the passing of time.
And offer the opinion that any thing that could be invented had been made two century's ago or was it one?

Are ideas opinions? or are they just related.
Not sure but every post that has ever been in OLO surely is an opinion.
Has any one else noted we are not seeing many posters.
And just maybe it is one of the most talked about subjects that is driving posters away.
In my opinion politics.
Along with the fact we all are less than happy with our current crop of leaders, on both sides we are bored.
Opinions can be formed after we touch smell look over a subject or by just glancing at it.
And they all have value without differences we would be an uninteresting mob.

Belly:"Opinions can be formed after we touch smell look over a subject or by just glancing at it."

And there's the rub, I think. Most people rarely examine their assumptions and freely express opinions based on them as though they were the product of deep thought. Putting those opinions up for others with different assumptions to examine can be uncomfortable and confronting, especially if those others are able to support their views with rational arguments.

I have to say that I don't resile from any of the views I've put here. I try not to respond on threads whioch are discussing things I don't know much about, but I certainly read them and learn.

There is a certain clique of posters who've left recently, including Morgan, Severin, foxy, pynchme and a few others. I can't see that the forum is poorer for their absence. Debate is rarely improved by the contribution of hecklers.

Belly,
My compliments on changing your opinion about Labors policy on 'illegals'. Not that you need compliments as in my opinion you come from the old school whereby honesty and integrity were taught. It is normal for you to change your opinion when evidence dictates it.

Mind you I do not share your opinion of the writings of oug and there may be many other issues we differ on.

For example, in my opinion, if the Libs had a half decent leader, certaily not Turnbull, they would have won the past election hands down. The only thing I give Abbott credit for is that he prevented us from now having a Carbon tax and his scepticism of human induced global warming.

I would be interested in hearing your opinion as to how to stop the boats from comming. That would save the people from drowning.

I miss foxy and in fact each of them to some extent.
C J Morgan has every right to be different.
Banjo I have not changed my mind my party has changed its direction.
We will forever, yes ever, have boat people problems here and in the west generally.
If we spent half the wests costs in fighting in Afghanistan on promoting a better life we would stop a great deal.
Your claim remains uncharitable that we drown boat people.
At best it is biased comment.
I challenge the view we all form opinions based on little evidence or research, I read every bit I can on subjects.
The very driving force that makes us human seems to be inquisitiveness we look for answerers and question much.
Opinions can and often are a stage in thought process, it is true, think about it, we hate admitting we got it wrong.
In a day a month or year or tens of years the life in some near country's could explode and current boat people numbers would look tiny in compositions with what may come.
A government, any shade, must understand in this matter too many voters who are quite bigoted on the issue will change voting intentions.

and others have to waste time trying to decipher them [Banjo]

Simple for you Banjo, why do you bother reading One Under God's contributions? Wasting time you state. Something more profound undoubtedly relating to your psychological make-up. Its a positive in actual fact that you bother trying to decipher OUG's philosophies. Just for the record, I enjoy OUG's intelligence, wit and writing styles. Enjoy your week Banjo.

WAU thanks for the support here.
Bazz is no fool, but has over looked some evidence.
OUG has made great efforts and great improvements, English I think,was not his first Language.
No intention to write in code seems to exist.
I believe we judge on measures that are not of value in finding the real person.
Or the real place that person lives in.
We give lip service to the idea all views have value, but it is a fact, they do.
I can point to many *credit managers* people who took others ideas and branded them their own.
The thread confirms we do hold our views tighter than others, we do indeed see it near impossible to say I got that wrong.

I did not start this thread to talk about people who have different views than me.
But to lift the rock,see what others thought lay beneath the art of conversation, why we differ and if it matters that we do.
I think we benefit by that difference.
But fail totally by not taking ownership of those opinions that are proved wrong.
Years ago, an aggressive workmate, known as the Minister for Main roads [he was a contract truck driver but liked giving orders] said these words after evidence hit the lunch table his three day long augment was proving wrong.
*Well I am wrong but I am still right*

I wholeheartedly agree Belly. Excellent thread btw, keep them coming!

Nice thread.

I agree wholeheartedly, as well. Sometimes, in the heat of the moment, I lose my grip on the fact that people who disagree with me are simply voicing opinions; I also lose my grip on the fact that the things I say are merely opinions as well. There is a difference between informed and uninformed opinions, and I think each has its purpose. In some contexts, the uninformed opinion can be as enlightening as the informed one; in others, they force us to think deeper about the basis for our own positions.

As for OUG, I'll lend my support here as well. Your posts are a lot more coherent than they once were, and perhaps as a result of the "tricky code" you use they force a slow reading which, in turn, gives more time to think about them. I can't help noticing, though, that you manage to circumvent the system and slip well over 350 words into a single post. I don't know whether to be annoyed or impressed! Either way, keep up the good work.

Hmm ... on re-reading, I'd say your posts are a lot more coherent than that last paragraph.

Good posts those two.
Let me remind you I could do little till I left school.
Write? never read only just, my childhood as the oldest son was work, school ended at just before 13 years of age.
Education started then, never ending till I die.
A job as that kid was in a remote north coast timber town.
Few could read less write, I had left my family behind and learned to write in a fashion so they knew I was ok.
I was not alone thousands left school without an education, I knew a secrete, if only they could be shown how to read.
I in a former job,government one got a good man behind me and had a class to learn to read funded, by then my 486 PC had helped me and the thousands of books I had read.
My education was never going to be at school, my family was poor and we got reminded of it daily, I learned early to plan only to get out.
Education ,far more than anything I know can change humanity, we need to change.stepping on the fingers of some one trying to learn is loutish.
On looking you can see the bloke who left his glasses at home or will get the missus to do it she handles that, can not do it.
Do we laugh or say lets get around the back of the shed I can help?

Belly asks:

"Has any one else noted we are not seeing
many posters. And just maybe it is one of
the most talked about subjects that is driving
posters away. In my opinion politics. Along
with the fact we all are less than happy with our
current crop of leaders, on both sides we are bored."

Well, yes, I have for one, and so has Antiseptic recognised this situation, as witnessed by his post of Wednesday, 3 November 2010 at 6:12:05 AM to this thread. I suspect that so, too, has GrahamY, judging from the content of his recent article "'On Line Opinion' - the next iteration", which can be viewed here: http://bit.ly/cBUVFQ



Given that the Forum bills itself as being one of social and political debate, I doubt discussion on the subject of politics would be driving posters away. However, it could be something to do with the aggregate content of articles not corresponding with the areas of interest of the OLO viewership.

If it is substantially correct that MainStreamMediaWorld is seen as being out of touch with the real concerns and interests of much of the public, then it is only from sites such as OLO that at least the elementarily computer-literate can themselves articulate any alternative view, or voice approval of views that would otherwise be one way or another edited out from public debate.



In my opinion, it is important to recognise a distinction within the overall viewership between what I call 'viewers' (or 'guests') on OLO, and posters (or 'registered users'). The participation of posters (or the absence thereof) is plain for anyone that visits the site to see. The site statistics as to the viewership as a whole are, by contrast, known (quite properly) only to OLO Administration. My point in making the distinction is that posters, particularly regular or frequent posters, have no means of assessing the extent to which overall viewership may be being affected by such things as quality of discussion, or posting style, among registered users.

Which, much condensed, means 'value and respect OLO'.

TBC

dear Forrest: run forest run! god i love that tag line. Does it really matter about all the rules, laws, restrictions, brain washing we have to live with? Life matters.. our own life.. not what others want you to believe, you make the choices how you want to let all these outside influences affect you.

FG thanks no pocket peeing I like your posts and thanks see I mostly inhabit just this section of the page.
I miss some posters, some have not returned after the time spent on the naughty boys bench.
Others, sorry truth has merit, feel some posters go far too far, think I am over my thoughts of leaving but came very close.
I give as much as I can, will continue to till death.
Some could give without it hurting, we have something special here.
I think we should never stop talking politics but it is degenerating a bit.
And I would like to expand on my thread about contracting out and other such threads maybe new posters will come to new subjects?
Again would not have known about GY thing if you had not highlighted it.
Come those who can give a few bob to keep us moving forward.

On the subject of not coming back to OLO -add me to the list
BYE ALL

Horus has a different point of view than me, yet we wrestled but did not get too rude.
I respect him, but why not say just why he left?
May even be me, I do give as much as I get, often more.
But will not back down from my view confrontation is hurting Australian politics.
Good grief I stand firmly on my unpopular rock,not wanting Muslim enclaves in my country.
But did we see the hatred against refugees in that WA meeting?
I saw those same faces in old films of street violence in America during school integration, on the faces of women too.
We are divided may never get back to our once proud tradition of excepting our side ran second.
Am I to ignore the taunts of Shadow Minister and such?
Or can we all back off just a little and consider others rights to be them selves.
OLO is much like Australia, unhappy at the extraordinary events in this country's politics over the past 12 months we are shouldering a place for our views .
We have lost posters before but this time it has hurt Horus tell us, if you read this what would you ask of OLO,that I and those you disagree with be banned?
Now I saw C J Morgan say he would not contribute to a right wing site like OLO.
I never would do so to a left wing one, often find trouble in saying it but 15% should not have more say than 85%
I ask the fence sitters, even those who dislike me, to post.
And to those who can, give, truth is this, in my job I found those most able to painlessly give never did.
A down and out workers would give his last few bob ,so do we want to grow OLO.
Lets all be part of the solution not the problem.

There's something a bit pathetic about sulkily slamming the door on the way out.

I spend far too much time on line, and I have considered withdrawing from OLO, as GY knows. I haven't because I believe it's the best example of the type that we have. Despite the whinges from the Left, it is a balanced and very informative site. Yes, we often go around in circles, that's the nature of public discussion, but I think we've had some excellent dabates on very important subjects.

I also agree with you belly, on the subject of supporting OLO. I have not done so previously, but I will do so now.

People like morgan don't have genuinely thought out views, they have vague, ill-formed notions that owe more to being popular than to rationality. OLO, where our every assumption is often fair game, is simply too confronting.

I've got to say that I find OLO irresistible simply because it is an arena for some reasonably solid debate - something that is often not available in everyday life.
I like that I learn things here and that I also enjoy choosing (or trying to) the right words to convey my meaning. Most days I find I'm exercising my mind in one way or another.
I miss C.J. and Foxy and the others a lot - they were here when I joined, but of course, that is life - things change.

Hi all,

Always good to see positive response in this forum. Belly sorry to here that stress is an issue for ya. It's a pandemic, now spreading to asia and the rest of the under developed countries.

I suppose some of the contributors choose to leave because spending time in this forum makes them have to think about the problems we are facing each day now, and there are so many. The more you read, the more pop up each day. Yet we read about them, and spend time venting our thoughts and opinions here. Time which takes up quite a bit of our day depending how much of it we spend here.

The more involve you are in a topic, the more it is on your mind and in your daily lives as it is important and we think about it. I appreciate quite a bit I read here and have learn a lot from the forum. Also, I know that trying to debate my opinion with the rest is like trying to argue with a wall at times.

We take the good from this forum, and leave the bad, and learn and grow to be a better person in life. Cheers, have a great start to your week everyone!

News Flash!

One leaves, another returns.




Just seen transitting the 'Users currently online' display, ( http://bit.ly/dCAgmq )
His Expostulation the Supreme Recidivist, Seajaye, the Lord Dymo, Thread Labeler-in-Chief of OLO
(aka CJ Morgan).

It seems Seajaye may have not so much left, as been suspended for two months. See: http://bit.ly/dkCTiq




Don't quite see why Horus pulled the plug, though. He seemed to have been posting quite well.

Goodonya FG! come on CJM kick me in the ribs I have missed you.
I miss almost every poster we no longer see, have found a few in other places.
Horus is a mystery hope he returns one day.

G'day Belly - great thread!

Thanks for the kind words folks, and well-spotted, Forrest (as ever). However, while I'm allowed to post again, for various reasons I don't intend to participate much at OLO in future. The reason I'm posting this is to acknowledge those of you have made various positive comments during my absence - thanks!

I'm in touch with various other former OLO users who've also been mentioned in this thread. If anybody wants to contact them, email me at cjinexile AT gmail.com, and I'll pass your contact details on.

Ciao.

Hiya C.J.,

Nice to see you back (in a sense)...I actually spotted you before I saw Forrest's post.
Hope you can't resist posting occasionally in the future...

"cjinexile@gmail.com"

Oh gawd, delusions of grandeur much?

Instead of trying for the sympathy vote, how about getting on with doing what this site is intended for - offering opinions and defending them if you're able.

Some of us actually quite like the fact that our views are challenged and do our best to accomodate when serious flaws are pointed out. It seems some prefer only to hear their own POV regurgitated uncritically. Shame.

Thank CJM not taking up your offer yet but understand your point of view.
Came close, even searched for another home.
But never found this ones equal.
Trying a new tactic, may get me banned saying it, but ignoring threads that are baits.
Like you to stay but you know what you want.

An Ode to Times Past
or
How Things Used To Be http://bit.ly/cWCeOp



How now shall we know the value of that upon which we post?
Who will label our threads for us?
Yea, though we compose but the most perfect sesquitricentenary missives
will there be no condemnation?

Judgmentality hath fled the land.

Everywhere threads lose their corrosiveness
and drip with snake oil.
Wingnuts vibrate loose and slowly work down the external cylindrical inclined planes
of our existence
And there is none to screw them up!

How long, O Lord
Dymo
How long?

Fruits loop the loop where they please
and soque puppettes breed in secret,
looking daggetts at those who are Left
and post immune from accusation.

Is there none to help?

The joy of combat withers.
The Forum flags.
All are undone.

Keep us not all in suspension animation at your exile
O Lord
Dymo

O that Right would prevail,
and thy acolytes attend on our deliberations.

Dear Forrest,

In the face of such poetic pleading, how can I not respond?

I'm afraid the days of yore have passed, and we're now in another era where the OLOgarch rules supreme. Alas, we are constrained by the Eye of Big Brother/Sauron/Hal, whereby textual jousting has been sadly relegated to other realms, particularly for those of us of Winston Smith/Elvish/Dave hue.

And with those words, the Lord Dymo passed into the Grey Havens. I believe he can still be found on occasions visiting a realm called Cyberia.

That post inspirer's me to start a thread.
Bit naughty, may well use this one.
Like it or not, few are happy with the recent election result.
I BELIEVE, fully, opinions on both sides have become stretched, some times hostile.
Do we have the right to think and express our selves differently than each other.
Can an election be the force in driving us apart? do we need American style combative politics here?
Yes yes know I give as much as I get, but some threads make me feel ill, truly thought it best to use this one than try to get one going saying.
Is free speech [with in bounds of respectability] Still OK in OLO?
OLO we are told[ give a few bob to support it]I hope still has room for every type of post.

I was wondering what happend to you CJ. We haven't seen Severin, Foxy, Bronwyn, Romany and pynchme for a while either. Hope they are not unwell.

Belly
It is a challenging thing to be able to put forward an opinion without offending anyone. Our opinions are shaped by many influences and values, and OLO does attract some interesting characters who test our own beliefs, or in some cases, serve to strengthen them. :)

May we all continue to cherish the many freedoms we enjoy in this country and continue to improve on what we already have. Perhaps cyberspace is one way to cut through the dominance of the media even if it does sometimes just add to the noise.

Thanks pelican we are in agreement here.
Now I note the list, some are far too good to not have around.
I played my hand wrong, disturbed by just a few posters bitter one eyed threads, I and others, let the baiting get to me.
Wandering around looking for a new forum.
I found one with our refugees, not recent, but my move was wrong.
I intend to avoid if possible those who some find a problem,me included.
I clash even with my friends sometimes, my increasing concerns about the greens puts me off side with CJM at times.
Such is free speech, to farm my thoughts so as not to offend is stifling free speech.
My concerns about some threads stopped me putting my rather pointed one up, we do each of us, owe some respect to both the forum and other posters.

Oh dear, did the big bad Graham not agree with poor widdle Ceej? Oh, diddums, where's your dummy?

Belly, of course OLO has room for the left, even the loony lefties like the group you mention.

Of course, they don;t have much room for OLO, since they actually have to defend their views here, rather than sitting around nodding sagely in agreement with each other's fatuosities.

At least it keeps the noise level down for the rest of us.

Lots of speculation on this thread, and I note some disapproval of my role in keeping order on the forum.

So there is not too much disinformation flying around, Foxy, Pynchme, Bronwyn and Romany have not been suspended. Horus was suspended for 24 hours for a bit of ad hom. Severin was suspended, but she's been able to post again for a fortnight. Col Rouge/Stern and Leigh both copped suspensions of less than a week each, but appear to have decided not to come back. Ginx's suspension is indefinite.

Some of you are carrying on as though there is some sort of rein of terror on OLO when all that is happening is that people who are disrupting discussion are being dealt with and the most effective way of doing that is to withdraw their posting privileges.

It makes it very difficult to get people to write for the site, or to get involved with it, when you get the level of toxicity that is generated by some commenters on this forum under the guise of humour.

Belly, if you haven't found another site quite like this one, then maybe it is because most sites aren't pluralist in their approach. Many of the commenters who complain about me being "biased" or "censoring" them are just projecting onto me what they would like to do to others.

I'm happy to deal with anyone who refuses to treat others with respect and who thinks that this site should only reflect one point of view.

That doesn't mean that discussion has to proceed in some sort of earnest gloom, but it does mean that commenters have to be respectful of each other, or at least express themselves as though they were. Otherwise the whole thing spins out of control pretty quickly.

Graham I was not intending to spread disinformation about suspensions.

I wouldn't have a clue who is or who is not suspended, I mentioned whether these posters were unwell given that Foxy recently wrote about a medical issue and Severin expressed concerns over her mother and having to move to support her in ill health. I can't imagine Foxy, Bronwyn or pynchme being suspended they are always polite.

All in all I believe OLO to be home to a variety of ideas and opinions. Evidence is that suspensions appear to be handed out evenly between posters of various political leanings.

Sorry Pelican, injudicious use of words by me. I wasn't meaning that you were spreading disinformation, just that speculation about who is or isn't suspended quickly seems to lead to conspiracy theories. Not suggesting you were pushing a conspiracy theory. Apologies if I offended you.

Forrest, too, would definitely have bridled at the thought of there being any prospect of a rein of terror being instituted upon OLO by GrahamY (or anybody else, for that matter) were he to have been a horse. No, gee; but nay, he was no gee-gee, and wasn't saddled with this particularly tacky problem.

Ever so briefly, however, Forrest wondered what the other rein in such hypothetical circumstances might be called: Erebus? The thought rapidly became a mountain of anxiety, such that it spurred him on to check that his tongue was properly parked in the correct cheek: fire and brimstone could issue forth at any time in such circumstances, and Forrest didn't want to have to bite his tongue.

Forrest would love to have invoked the Wizard Morgan to cast a spell check upon an earlier post in the thread, one posted not so long ago, but felt he could not ask. He had, after all, omitted one of the wizard's honourifics in his heralding post of Tuesday, 9 November 2010 at 4:48:57 PM. He had omitted the honourific 'Scourge of all the Wingnuts' from the wizard's title! Forrest was mortified by this failure, knowing how long and hard the wizard had worked to earn these titles.

In the gathering gloom a slight chill zephyr, a Cyberian vesper, returned Forrest to his own reality, that of a long luxurious bask in the warmth of the observation that:

"That doesn't mean that discussion has to proceed
in some sort of earnest gloom, but it does mean
that commenters have to be respectful of each other,
or at least express themselves as though they were."

Forrest knew that one part or other of that observation applied to himself, and was content. He had equitated himself moderately well. Freedom of speech was safe.

Forrest recalled, however, that long ago a certain American ambassador had acquired the nickname 'Mr Ed the Talking Horse', and that this nickname had found its way into Hansard. Hansard was duly censored, and Sandra Kanck's future fate thus sealed.

What a year, lovely to see you all, or some. After only one attempt I remembered my login info and after sitting and staring stupidly at the screen for several minutes I remembered you go "new post" to "reply".

I am guilty of shutting down, ignoring most things and people, wanting to stop thinking so much about all the hard stuff and of course OLO makes one think or at least attempt whenever possible to spell correctly and use appropriate gramma.. grammar?

Some things keep niggling at one though, how is Belly? Why were you so attracted to OUG and is that normal? Does this person or that person still just annoy the hell outta you especially if they agree with your opinion? Can I choose to be stupid or go back to where I was learning stuff? What are hyperlinks?

belly/quote..<<..I did not start this thread..to talk about*people who have different views..than me.>>

i know you wrote..that some time back
but i feel somhow we got of track?

you wrote/note..-quote..<<But to lift the rock,..see what others thought..lay beneath..the art*..of conversation,>>

conversly...we need to be a partnership...[only equals..can converse]..ok thats my opinion]..and this format...means..wether your [ok..wether..IM..a begger or a thief...a leftwing-greenie...or a liberal tory...in the words we write...our opinions carry equal weight

someone..will comprehend
someone will devey comprehending
but either way...we feel..we have had a fair go..at being heard

<<why we differ..and if it matters*..that we do.>>
there is a cetain suspition..[re clones/drones]...
that are mindlessly regergitating..that others put into them

i loove our differences..rejoice in our each being the unique..[us]...we all are...of course it matters..our difference..ensures..we each have our unique bits to add...!

i miss foxies up-ness...you could just tell..she loved many of you
[and just seing that put into word's..made one[ok me]..feel hope

of course..that was yes-terday...now god gave us jinny
but what i say for them..goes for all of you

i loove the knowlwedge..of the for-rest/grump..and cj...and..are we all..not unique*?

<<I think we benefit..by that difference.>>
TOO BLOOMING RIGHT..cobber
the young grayman..has created this forum well

[and better times to come..?]

<<But fail totally...>>..huh?
<<by not taking ownership..of those opinions..that are proved wrong.>>
oh...got ya...yeah..but mate..

as forrest reveals...[with his*..amasing*..ability..to find*..past quotes...reminding*..us all..

is as simple as*..going to their..*web-page...and posting the*link...
revealing..the error..[specificlly*]..[with love..and humour]...maybe..even a..'lol'

re..the words..<<*Well I am wrong..but I am still right*>>
i well know..what he is saying
the principle...and the delivery..were right..

its just..the fact*..[it was hooked on;..this time]
or..the authority..he addressed..[this*time]...
was...gulp..[^*^%&#}...wwwwwr..rrroooooong.%

Good to see you pied piper, welcome back.
OUG? well yes he and I have differed, but have you seen the way his posts have improved?
At school kids pick on weak links, I have watched it with disgust all my life.
OUG has another language as his mother one, and like me is constantly looking to improve his writing.
So good on him.
Gave up work, unexpectedly 4 weeks ago next Tuesday.
Proud to be union to the end fighting for my members and My Union against a bad boss, mine.
But that is only my opinion.
GY thanks but can we know who is in the sin bin?
My concern for Foxy remains.
She told us years ago she is fighting cancer,even put in a farewell thread just in case.
TPP I remain me happy combative if needed and my garden like me is glowing.

You're looking good Belly, I suspect your lines have grown longer over time. I will have to backtrack to some older posts to be sure.

Glad the union is still spuring you on.

Did OUG just ignore me? He always did play hard to get.

But to struggle back to topic, and I always did struggle. Opinion is a strange thing, once formed it doesn't always sit comfortably and I often wish to be proved wrong. But yes once comfortable it becomes hard to move along. I often want to be wrong but reject the concept that I invested the energy to form something that could be easily cast aside.

I'm guessing that is along the same process that turns opinion into faith? And does that mean faith is a form of arrogance? And maybe I just slid right off topic again. I am out of practice.

Can Graham mail Foxy and see if she's all good with permission to let others know?

No problem Graham. Now I feel like I may have over-reacted. :)

"Can Graham mail Foxy and see if she's all good with permission to let others know?"

Good idea Pied Piper if protocols allow and Graham's time permitting.

For those who have expressed concern about Foxy's well-being, I don't think I'm betraying any confidences in assuring you that she's fine, but has chosen to cease participating at OLO for her own reasons.

There are as many opinions as there are issues, and there is no issue for which the entire population may agree completely simply because many people are ignorant of, or uninterested in, any specific issue.
Gallup polls, for example, have found that it is very rare for more than 80 percent of the Australian population to be aware of a particular issue, and the percentage is often very much lower. The opinions for a single issue such as abortion, a political scandal, or protection of the environment - expands or contracts as more people gain or lose interest in the topic.

Opinions are not however formed in a vacuum; they are made in the context of existing cultural and personal preconceptions. Moreover, people do not necessarily get their opinions directly from media sources. Information and viewpoints are sifted through other people, particularly family, friends, and workmates. We're often also influenced by opinion leaders, usually people who spend greater time studying the issues, form definite opinions about them, and interpret the issues for others. Awareness of others' views may also play a role in the formation of one's opinion through what's known as the "bandwagon" effect. If it appears that opinion is swinging in one direction, some people - especially those who were previously undecided or who had no strong commitment to the other side - tend to change their viewpoints. That is why commercial advertisers often stress an "everybody is doing it," theme and why political candidates are so eager to do well in the early stages of their campaigns.

Lexi welcome and what a good post!
I could not have put it better C J Morgan thanks very much.
Understood and I believe I know why.
Not a coward mate but have been burned by putting my name out there.
so not going to e mail yet at least.
Love to find old Friends in a forum?
I Just have to say this, I believe every one has every right to an opinion, any and every opinion.;
But that opinion, we self manage every day, should not be anti social.
Not be abusive ugly hurtful or put unlawful acts in print.
We, each of us, must understand others views are not evil not to be hidden and if that is how they think let them.
Some times we feed the problem, responding to a statement that is plain silly is foolish.
I have learn much here became a better poster and am intent on leaving the silly stuff to fall by its own hand without my help.

Thanks for the update CJ. Glad to hear the Foxy one is well. :)

Yes me too CJM you are missed but one day I hope to see you and foxy here or another place

In my opinion:

Poirot: thank u for ur input. I am not disrespecting, I am merely stating the obvious. And questioning actions.

I joined this forum to get input, not to have some users judge me. Is that wrong of me? If it is, then I should leave. Correct? It is my choice, to state what I want to state, it is your choice to believe what u want to believe.

It is not your right, to judge me for this, and I am a highly sensitive and emotional being. I do not appreciate getting condemned by others who do NOT know me.

Is this place not to express ourselves? I learned a lot from this forum, now I understand why when I lived in tweed(the capital of retirement here) I see old ppl alone having to struggle with their daily lives. Not all, but enough. I learned why it is how it is here from your opinions, and I thank you for that.

I only get defensive when there are unjustly attacks, on others, on me.. Then I change into defense mode, it is a normal human behavior. If I am not contributing to society, I should not be posting here any longer.

Jinny,

We appear to be thread jumping here, however, I'll reply to your last post.

In partially unloading your circumstances on the forum you have invited those of us who were interested to state our views. For the most part, posters have been reasonably circumspect in their responses.

For you to flame up indignantly every now and then crying "you don't know me" is to mock the spirit of the exercise - and one which you yourself initiated.

Those of us who condemned your actions do not wish you ill - we only sought to express our opinion.

Hey Jinny – I’m not sure where contributing to society and posting on OLO kinda hook up in the great scheme of things.

Contributing here is about umm... taking the time to type out your opinion, all the more interesting if it is in opposition to someone else’s opinion. Hearing about the personal experiences of people that lead them to form their opinions really interests me.

The way I see it is that judging people is just another opinion formed often with limited knowledge depending on the person and how much they have communicated about themselves, proof is not usually there but forums often don’t allow the luxury of character references.

It is easier, or at least more pleasant, to inform people why you consider their judgment of you wrong rather than deny them the right to judge. But I don’t believe OLO makes any demands of its users to be pleasant. I’m unsure having not read terms of use.

I would be interested what you have learnt on OLO that helped in finding out why old people in Tweed struggle with their daily lives though.

I reckon defending yourself is all good, what I’ve learnt is that a moment is needed to form the right defense; offended or indignant, hurt and accusing, making a joke of it, aiming for their jugular, using their own words against them, or a denial of everything they are and all they believe in. Quite often I surprise myself and suddenly realize they had a good point and maybe I was wrong…. I hate it when that happens by the way and I think with Poirot it just happened to you.

GY has taken some action about another thread we should confine our comments to that thread GY started.
It is forum rules not to continue to talk about such action.
TPP you know life can be hard on mums,dads too for that matter, I shudder to think back on my family's crisis,you seem to know a basic.
You like foxy,find something positive to focus on no easy task.
We all of us, are hot wired to find it so very hard to say well I was wrong.
But we grow if we can master that.

Hi Belly,

The above comments were being posted here around the same time as Graham was reorganising things. As you can see, things have trickled to a stop in that regard.

Yes sure knew that but some may not have.
Reported a couple of posts hope few saw them.
Lets look again at opinions, remember those school days, we all have seen spite and dreadful things from kids.
Done it our selves maybe in our childhood.
And we those of us with heart still deeply dislike it.
I find true hope from that,while people in dispute say and do many dreadful things we look deeply and come up with our opinion.
Few of us take things on face value,humans do differ but it is built in to us to trust one another.
And that in my opinion is great.

Hey Belly, I was wondering if Jinny had been banned, and I didn’t want to say much if she can’t respond. She likes a battle, maybe as a result at being angry at an authority here that you just continually lose to. A good internet fight can cheer one right up in those circumstances and be a wonderful distraction.

I’d suggest she cruise over to altnews.com into the forums where she get her teeth into something more solid than she would find here.

Although given her children are still with her the parents there may either tear her to pieces or give her nightmares about what can happen to her children. Both would be good for her I feel.

Maybe I phase that wrong, opinions here at peak performance are awesome to behold. When passion leaks out I consider them even better though and on a sites with no holds barred you can learn a lot from a truly nasty debate.

You learn how to get your opinion across and to create an eye in the storm.

Strangely OLO toughened me up a lot, after being abused here no site where people can drop the F bomb would even compare to the accusations made by various OLO users. Bless them, I think I became immune.

Not even back 24 hours and I am ripping families apart for monetary gain and I am racist and judgmental. Much better than some sites where you are told if you don't have a nice opinion then say nothing. Bunch of babies. :)

TPP I need to be careful here old mate.
Some things are better unsaid,some people tell a good story but it can be fiction or non fiction we must consider both options.
You have been a victim of being too open here, so have I.
I what ever outcomes from some posts removed from here, think we are better to leave the issue.
Nice to see you back.

Hey Belly I am going to swing right off topic.

I swear I saw a thread that said something about Aussie should aline with the US not China. I never looked at it but heard weird stuff on the radio today about a trade agreement with the US.

I went looking for the thread to see if it was tallking about trade with the US or something else. Has it gone or was a imagining it or it's there and I have a missed it?

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/pacbeat/stories/201011/s3066983.htm

But anyways, being a victim is no fun. How was that for the quotable statement of the year? :)

But I refuse to change or be careful. I have some weird logic going on that the worst has already happened.

And on the subject of opinions I forgot what we were talking about, whether or not to be pleasant I think. Of course me being very pleasant was what go me in trouble.

So giving opinions is all good but give them in as nuetral a way as possible or risk being accused of flaming or flirting. Again if someone wants to believe you are flirting with them then no amount of intentional flaming will dissuade some stranger type people. And same if someone wants to believe you're nasty then no matter how pleasant you try to be they will just go with what is stuck in their head about you.

Why is giving an opinion made so difficult? And giving an opinion in the nature you wish to intend it to opinionated people is twice as hard.

The Pied Piper says:

"Hey Belly I am going to swing right off topic.

I swear I saw a thread that said something about
Aussie should aline [!] with the US not China. I never
looked at it but heard weird stuff on the radio
today about a trade agreement with the US.

I went looking for the thread to see if it was
talking about trade with the US or something else.
Has it gone or was a imagining it or it's there
and I have a missed it?"




No, TPP, the thread is still there. You can find it here: http://bit.ly/9Lm3fD

It was titled 'Australia must line-up with the US rather than China', but, IN MY OPINION (which is what this thread is about), the author got the title all mixed up. The title should have been 'The US must line up with Australia, rather than worry about China'. No wonder you could not find it, TPP. Buka gai jin author! (Japanese for 'stupid bloody foreigner' author, as opposed to 'gung ho gwei loh', Chinese for 'co-operatively aggressive foreign devil' opinionator.)

The thread, of course, is the defining dialogue, but should you wish to view the article, it can be found here: http://bit.ly/cXP2b4

For a longer term perspective of Australia's position vis-a-vis that of co-prosperity in greater east Asia in relation to the US relationship, one could ponder this, albeit some of it poetic, analysis of some of its background to date: http://bit.ly/d9zoHL and following posts.

You don't suppose the Yanks might want us to waste all that money on the NBN so we wont have any left to buy into/invest in converting much of our abundant coal resources to oil and negating peak oil in the process, do you TPP? My goodness, if we did that we could rule the world by proxy! We could make fuels of them all!

Of course, TPP, all of this is purely speculative, just my opinion.

FG do not go away your humor starts me up like my first coffee, when I understand it.
In my opinion, we are in need of new threads new subjects and new posters.
Why not a humor one FG? and why do we need two thread related subjects when posting one.
An other raging thread, yours TPP is both asking questions and answering them, it is clearing the air, much needed.
my spelling problems are known, few however know my spell check has had two nervous break downs trying to understand what I want to say
a word[one of many] my checker jumps too high in fear of explains that in a group the answer to a problem may come from the cleaner.
Last word on moderation we all know some sites are unworkable because of it not being good lets be happy we do not have a problem.
PS
some thing very wrong here! spell check only had to change one word, nervous is not spelled nevios, it apears

"some thing very wrong here! spell check only had to change one word"

How can that be, must be a bug ;)

R0bert

Lol! Virus scan due. Thanks u all. Gives me inner strength to do what I need to do. Busy day n on public transport but still good to read the positive comments, to see that we all want to change for the better, we all want to get along.

Pain (emotionally n physically) is a virtue. Perseverance, determination, believes, helps us achieve what we want and desire in life. It doesn't matter what you have done in your past. Today, all that matters is that you are happy. That your love ones are happy. We only live once. Make the best of it, help others and u will receive. Smile and the whole world smiles with you. Share your knowledge with others to help educate and makes us grow.

The power of positive thinking, if you manage to master it, will open doors and opportunities you have never dreamed of. These are the secrets and mysteries to life I found out lately.

Whatever happens, as long as we have our health, our love ones, happiness and joy, that is all that matters at the end of the day. I am at the airport by the way(;p, it rhymes and it's true)

Life is like a box of chocolates :)

Forrest how could you ask me a question like in public, what did I ever do to you?

I listened to the radio yesterday but I knew before I even started trying to find out about this trade agreement that I was going to be floundering. The only thing I was really wondering was does Aussie have a say at all or does it pretend to have a say when all along it can only go one way? Oh and I went and read the article thanks, I’ll be going back to give it a second shot in a minute.

I wish I could find the interview I listened to, the one I found had the American consumer lady speaking but the one that grabbed my attention was 10 minutes yesterday on ABC national around 6:50 pm. She was saying that American businesses were furious that we had some agreement already and wanted it changed which would allow them to operate business here similar to owning embassies; Ausssie could not police them inside Australia. Whole idea shocked me but then most things do.

Aw Jinny, If only I had your grasp of this world. Perhaps if I believed in spirits then maybe I could also believe “Whatever happens, as long as we have our health, our love ones, happiness and joy, that is all that matters at the end of the day.”

And that life is indeed just like a box of chocolates. I do have health, my loved ones, but happiness and joy come and go because of all the other stuff that I find matters. Had I known about the voluntary extinction program years ago I’d be minus a couple of loved ones as well.

Yabby did a humour thread I remember Belly, was a good one too and was when everyone was getting a little fed up.

Do we still have the OLO spelling police lurking? My spell checker keeps going back to US which drives me nuts. They put “z”’s everywhere I find.

I got lost in my own thread on moderation. It’s a shame when some approach a thread as if you are being critical because isn’t that opinion without proof?

Hang on let me rework that. Of course you are allowed civilized opinions here and others opinions might be that your opinion is a load of kaka if your opinion is put forward without being able to back why your opinion is correct.

But also to have an opinion is by its nature something that can sit on its own once given and is allowed to be absolutely wrong. Like emotions opinions can’t in themselves be labeled as right or wrong?

So we strive to change another’s opinion by whichever means and sometimes it works or they change ours instead but from having an opinion to changing it neither were wrong they were just our or their opinion in that moment?

Yes, I am going to go lie down for a bit.

So happy it feels like chrismast :). I hope GY doesn't get upset with my nonsense :p. Thank god for technology. Wouldn't be able to work and play at the same time otherwise.

You feel loss, but they have never left you. Only physically. Their memories, spirit, laughter still remains with us. It might hurt, and hurt can turn to anger. Just believe they are in a happier place right now. We do our best to look after the things that mean the most to us. As long as u know you have given 110%, and you did the right thing, the rest does matter.

It is good to talk to yourself. T says:"you go tok to youself",lol, sorry, personal joke. We always question ourselves, it is only human. Our brain is developed this way. If we know, we understand, if we don't, question it.

With how advanced the internet is, u can research almost everything out there in this world. It is one of humans greatest inventions. Use it well...
If you are hurting, read up on it, it's a lot better then going to a head doctor.

Can I be cheeky monkey today?

TPP hope it was not me who up set you,did not find anything in that thread to fear.
Some things happened that are best left you are a bright light here stay please,

Belly:

"TPP hope it was not me who up set you,
did not find anything in that thread to fear."

I have a feeling TPP, when she asked "Forrest how could you ask me a question like [that] in public, what did I ever do to you?" was responding tongue-in-cheek to a perhaps too confronting question addressed to her towards the end of my post of Tuesday, 16 November 2010 at 12:25:46 AM. Unfortunately, I have never got used to using emoticons like 'smileys' in my posts, tending to rely upon written context to point up the humour. If any offence was caused, it was unintended, and definitely not meant to be personal.

That's the problem with seeing the funny side to things: there generally tends to be a funny side to everything there is to see, but sometimes the humour bombs out because there will be those to whom the particular issue may be very serious or painful. An example of humour bombing out could easily occur in relation to the use of the iconic image of the little Vietnamese girl running down the road with all her clothes burnt off by napalm, as an illustration on the 'flaming' page of the tongue-in-cheek styled Encyclopedia Dramatica carrying the caption 'An hero of the Vietnam flame woar'.
http://bit.ly/aMjWxP

This would probably not have been funny in real life, but in this context the use of the image is, in my opinion, funny.

Just as a matter of interest for those who may not know, that little girl subsequently became an American citizen. Years later she met the pilot of the aircraft that had delivered the ordnance of which she was part of the collateral damage thereof. They reached personal closure and reconciliation over the incident. It would be very hard to imagine that pilot ever introducing her to others as 'an old flame', however. Nevertheless, if he ever did, it could be thought to be funny.

My own alter-ego was very nearly involved in a napalm strike in that war, you may recall.

I doubt it was you or me FG that thread had a few comments that may have been taken the wrong way.
Some having no idea what took place yesterday will be baffled by the whole thing.
I did not know that story it interests me must look it up.
Loving this retirement thing, miss the blokes but life is full of fun.

In my humble opinion:

UOG: you are doing a great job, just try to stop bringing up the suicidal stuff, it's depressing. as some of us notice, u hv great knowledge and post really good stuff up. good on u! :)

this forum is weird as. the ppl here are weird. well i am weird too. coz i'm jinny. but i don't hv mental problems :p

some of the posters here hv such great points, thy bring it up, expressing their opinions, then get shot down by others, then the personal attacks begin. pretty lame, but thats my opinion. i reckon i'm entitled to that, since i am still allowed to ehem... post

i think all of us can see who are the influential memebers(long term), and some "s s". some actually stay one the topics, a lot drift off elsewhere in their own personal agendas. some threat this as their personal chat room.

tbc

the self-righteous judgmental ones are pretty amusing to observe. some posters just shouldn't be allowed to post. even after being shot down so many times, they just down 'get it'.

certain members here truly respect life form as it is. which is always a joy/pleasure to read.

some actually hv that much time in on their hands they choose to spend it all here, expressing their opinions. some are hypocrites, just read what they write, and watch their virtual actions..lol

but it's always good to see the sincere pure hearted ones that contrubute.. they mk such a difference.

since i got told off quite a number of times, might/not post anymore... what's the point aiy? since my opinion is not respected and valued here, i rather use it somewhere where it is...

Cheers, and TGIF!! weekend! Whoohoo :)

OUG never noticed that in your posts, know mate such is never an answer.
Breaking a rule Jinny, you just must stop blaming the world,stop judging every one but your self.
Stop hiding your problems and looking for others.
That is not an insult Jinny it is advice.
You must,surely understand few want to talk to you here,please open your mind,see your posts know some, me, know of your problems and you show in your bitter stabs you know too.
No human is perfect none are without problems,and the truth is self help is the very best.
If you wish to continue to make little stabbing remarks, and ignore your problems, then know you are close to having no one want to talk, respect my wish Jinny,do not refer to me in your posts I wash my hands of you.

i got you the first time, thanks. Open my mind to what? Hide my problems? This is a forum. period. Beside, not allowed to discuss 'personal' issues remember? and you don't have to keep repeating yourself, don't respond to me if you can't stand my opinion. Like you know who it's directed to, unless i state a username. besides, i think you've 'helped' me enough. help regarding my situation i deal with in the physical world, not here..

with the rules of this forum, it still hasn't been said what personal matters can't be discussed and what not. Isn't everything personal?

i think im allowed to express my opinions however i choose to write and post it, use the scroll wheel if you dislike my posts, simple and easy.

don't wash ur hands so many times, ur wasting precious water here.. :p

jinny,

I think that a personal issue, with facts, can be raised as a particular/example, thus, leading into a wider general and disinterested issue to be discussed.

Obviously, non of us here are equiped to discuss a personal problem, nor should we even venture to. There are many excellent avenues where you can obtain advice. Unfortunately, OLO is not one of them.

OLO is set up to debate points of, and contribute (and hopefully not got off tangent) to a topic raised.

Good Luck

Danielle: errr... i've stopped discussing my personal issues here a while ago. just don't like everyone doubting me and judging me so i explain. think i can sort our lives out myself, thanks for the concern.

don't ask for help here, just like to study human behavior and question their actions. sorry if i bother u.

contributions are great, grumbles aren't, coz then don't bring anyone any benefit. there is a lot of good knowledge shared on this forum, and i sometimes like to spend some of my time here.

i wish u will all stop judging me from the past, as u don't have any right to, because none of you know anything about me but as a natural human behavior, you like to assume. i am sorry i am not welcome here by some.

I Jinny once again am breaking my word, only to try yet again to help you, no other reason.
My life has not been easy always but every day of it I try to help not hurt people.
If you knew me you would know it, I am a sucker for a bad luck story.
I except English is not your first language, and that you are trying to live in a country that is not the one you come from.
Your past? no one knows your past here.
We only know what you tell us.
So it may not be easy for you to look and see but the fact is posters have tried to help.
Have you considered this? look at your every post from the time you came here.
I have read every one of mine twice, more if I got it wrong.
You constantly Jinny make reference to people judging you, not liking you.
I think the person who seems not to like you the most can be found in your bath room.
Jinny look in to a mirror give your self a chance no human ever gets it right all the time.
We Aussies can Be defensive, we dislike being rubbished on no evidence.
But most of us, fly to the defense of a woman every time I did that for you my actions saw some deletions happened.
My reward is not for me, Jinny help your self take that look and start rebuilding your life.

Belly "only to try yet again to help you"

I think jinny has made it clear that she is not wanting help from posters on OLO. The thread with most of the detail has gone along with cross thread posts repeating that detail (and adding extra).

Unless jinny chooses to start making comment on others lives and choices or seeks to re-introduce her own stuff into the discussion it's probably past time to stop trying to help.

I know you mean well but I can't see any way that will happen with what you are doing.

Danielle summed up pretty well the way I see the personal issues stuff. Useful as examples but a big problem if they are only up here for validation.

R0bert

thanks*R0bert*for helping putting it into perspection.

Belly:thankyou for your kind words, once again i hv to correct u. u see, when i look in the mirror i have see a wat i see, and hv no problems wt that. i don't need to look in the mirror to know who i am. i told my dad he needs to tho and i'm goinna get a stand up mirror for him for his next birthday so he can sit with it every night and talk to his reflection :p. i don't even need to tell myself because every day, many times i am told by others how i am. :) so yes, i am blessed, but my physical and verbal appearance has come wt a hefty price. u see, i know he and whoever he's managed to lie to once again is watching my every move, my every post. but i also know, i don't hv to do much for he will self destruct eventually.. then i will be at peace, the others do not bother me that much anymore as i have eliminated them. i understand ur worry, but there is nothing to worry bout.. it's just life. :)

i do not know you, but i appreciate the knowledge u share which has thought me alot, if u haven't realized, from my first naive post till now, i learn a lot from u. btw, English is my first language just that i grew up with other languages as well so my command of it is not as good as yours.

i know aussies pretty well as i know the best of them, and the *...*. the new 'friends' i hv made in my few months here are such good hearted ppl they amaze me sometimes. i'm just too busy right now wt the kids and my future to spend time with them. i actually hv to kick them out n not respond..coz i'm nice:P

i hv big trust issues as the ones i once laid my trust upon turned out to be the biggest disappointments.please forgive me for that.

OK RObert you are quite right.
I am not farming for good thoughts about me, this is the real me.
Do fall often, for a hard luck story.
But wiling to do it over and again if it can help.
jinny can not be helped, I would bend heaven and earth if I could help.
You RObert have a balance and understanding of matters with children, single parenting and indeed parenting, I have seen it over and again.
We clash some times but let me say this,my reason for adopting the under dog may be time wasting, but.
I have done so all my life, it costs me, but it rewarded me too, the respect of my former union mates,the understanding I do care.
It rewards me more than gold, I can never walk away without trying, we all should try then try again.
jinny I must leave you , you know I have heard another side off you but your last two posts say it all,OLO one day will be better without you.

IMHO, Belly can go to some homeless shelter or other places in his community to help since he so likes to. He should also tried harder to become moderator so he can kick me outta here. He sure misses his best buddy here tho :p n he likes to waste water.LOL

Like I said, I'm more stubborn n irritating then u r. I'm already working/hv worked with more then 10 different depts/orgs here. I'm going to try another few. Come on, u think I'm not resourceful? Shhesh underestimating me.

Oh, actually, manglish is my first language, it so much fun as it contains 3 diff language mixed into one(I think I stated this somewhere before). "KIASU"

jinny,

I wasn't judging you. How do you come up with that?

You had asked about personal issues:

" ...it still hasn't been said what personal matters can't be discussed and what not. Isn't everything personal?"

Robert has further claried that.

We are 'supposed' to be objective and logical in a discussion. This means putting aside subjective reactions ... admittedly not always easy ... some buttons can be pushed with the best of us. That is when Graham steps in ... to move us from the subjective/personal (often too personal) back on track.

For example. A sex worker could raise an issue she/he had experienced. This would lead into a wider discussion of root causes ... conditions/laws/ etc. whatever.

The experience of the sex worker then becomes an example, a spring board if you like, for looking at issues within the sex industry. These issues are, hopefully, discussed dispassionately and objectively. As a rule, this does not return to the personal, unless something needs further clarifying.

If I have not been very clear, perhaps Robert could assist ...

hi Daniell,

if you read my last post addressed to you here on this thread, i think i explained myself pretty clearly. just a few examples tho, to help you understand the way i look at it.

not coming from me:

"OLO one day will be better without you."(repetitive? i'm only blind when i'm making a wish tq)

"but self-consciously trying to be different and being rude to others are certainly not among them."(sorry it seems this way. i am sorta trying to defend myself here)

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4109&page=0 (numerous here)

and the first thread, the amount of speculations was undeniably short of amazing there. it's human nature to tho. can't just let sleeping dogs lie and like to relate personal circumstances to that of only their knowledge. anyway, i'm practicing my 'not-to-complain' here, which obviously still needs brushing up. i need to get ready for my date with Mr.Oman(as soon as i hv the time. i need a twin!!)

there isn't much point living in the past. we learn from our mistakes, and move on from there. i'm still paying for the mistakes no doubt, but hey, today's a new beginning :)

btw, it wasn't meaning so much so you, just a few posters here. anyway, my psychiatrist yesterday morning said there are some 'mentally not 100%' people here:P, this came from him, not me. hahaha. i'm certified NOT crazy.. unfortunately for some of yous..LOL

I am able to defend myself.
Am not mining for help or support.
And truly enjoyed some input.
Years ago I took part in the second thread car park.
Went back and read the first too.
I think it is a wast of time to pursue this any more.
But may be such a thread is sometimes needed.
I will continue to read this ,try hard not to contribute, but still hold the view, honestly OLO should come first.
And am unable to see jinny still here in 6 months with her current attitude,

attitude you say? sigh. i feel sorry for you. too bad u can't stand my virtual guts. :p

i do agree that there is still a lot more to learn from here, not sure if i will finish within 6 months, n if i can put up wit you Belly, i think i can put up with quite a bit, unless GY decides otherwise.:P