Jayb that is an impressive list.

what you say about data and offical records is correct. If the data is not collected, then offically the problem does not exist.

<Social work literature is biased against heterosexual males, leading to "unfair and untrue" stereotypes about men and hampering social workers' ability to counsel men, an Alabama professor has concluded after reviewing articles in two social work journals from the last decade.

Out of hundreds of articles, book reviews and published ads, only "a fraction - about 25" were about men, Jordan I. Kosberg wrote in an article titled "Heterosexual Males: A Group Forgotten by the Profession of Social Work." >

http://www.menshealthaustralia.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=232&Itemid=91

Sexism is alive and well and feminist or those who claim to be feminist are as, if not more sexist than the rest of society.

Bettina Arndt once wrote that women do like being shown their true colours.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/04/01/1048962754904.html

<Contrary to all the sneering about the show unfairly presenting women as money-grubbing gold-diggers, part of the female reaction to the series is an - ouch! - squirm of embarrassment. We're not comfortable being shown in our true colours>

One of the major complaints that are expressed by women, is mens relutance to open up and talk. But usually the lid gets shut very quickly if a bloke does talk, and the woman does not like what she is hearing.

Houellebecq, And what does it all have to do with hair?

When women have "bad hair days" they are proported to go crazy or insane. Oh, Duh! Where have you been all of your life?

As JamesH quoted, "Bettina Arndt once wrote that women do like being shown their true colours." Or, as James says, "the woman does not like what she is hearing."

Houellebecq, "jayb you sound insane. What prompted you to dedicate so much time to prove the obvious?"

About the same time I was quoted that "only men are violent," I read an article on a study done at Monash into men subjected to violence" The study was never completed. It was shut down by womens lobby groups. Their reasoning was that if it was shown that men also were subjected to violence then funding for feminists would be diverted towards research in to violence towards men. They couldn't let that happen now. Could they? Anyway, it a hobby... Some people collect stamps.

I think you have just proved the point that women don't want to hear the truth or fix the problem they just want to talk about it.

jayb "I think you have just proved the point that women don't want to hear the truth or fix the problem they just want to talk about it."

Are you thinking that Holly is female?

R0bert

Women are also capable of committing horrible crimes like the mother who aided in the prostitution of her child. No-one is arguing men=bad women=good. Women and young girls are more likely to commit violent crime than the previous generation but I suspect it has nothing to do with feminism and more to do with other social changes that also see younger men committing violent crime.

Perhaps what is needed is more issue specific policy. Personally I don't go for government advertising for most issues unless to provide practical information like phone numbers ie. who to ring for DV or health assistance etc.

Anti-violence campaigns whether targeting DV or general violence don't stop violence IMO. Instead of putting money into Ads we should be looking at why violence has increased in our communities and what can be done at a grass roots level to reduce the statistics.

It not being honest or helpful to deny domestic violence is mainly perpetrated by men. I do believe that - and I can believe that and not be a man-hater. The statistics show that it is mainly women who are abused or raped but that does not by contrast imply that women cannot also be abusers.

I don't believe the hype that is fostered by some Men's Rights groups that women are 'overtaking men' in violence behind closed doors or that the control/power is shifting towards women in the home as I read on one site.

This is just anti-feminist anti-women nonsense. JamesH I wouldn't presume to know whether or not you hate women and I truly believe you believe the pendulum has swung too far the other way, but that does not make it so.

Many men I think are still uncomfortable with some of the changing roles in society and that is also an aspect that is never fully discussed in these debates. Some men see it as a loss of power (ie. head of the household stuff) when it is not about power but about mutually loving and respectful relationships.

Who, exactly, are the 'we' that demonize men JamesH?
We could start another thread asking why do men demonize women, and have just as much, if not more, to discuss!

It is a well known fact that there are far more women around the world who are financially, emotionally and physically dominated by the men in their lives than the other way around. Think of India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon... and the list goes on.

Until those statistics change, we have no real need to be worried about some mad feminists supposedly'demonizing' men.
The average woman has partners, brothers, fathers and sons in their lives that they love just as much as the women in their lives.

The women who do demonize men may well have good reason to, just like many men demonize women for their own personal reasons!

Gee Jayb, I think you need another hobby other than writing down all violent crimes committed by women! Sounds a bit strange to me.

I don't think anyone has ever said women can't be or haven't been violent have they?
The fact remains that men commit the most numbers of violent crimes against both women and other men in our society and in every other society in our world.

That doesn't mean the crimes committed by women are not a problem, just that there are less of them.

As these conversations progress, I suspect there is not much point in repeating the same old arguments but I only ask that while you keep seeing feminazis at every turn, while ignoring the masculinazis, you only see half the problem.

Women have never claimed men to be inferior or to possess a lesser intellect. The same cannot be said of men and even some religious texts refer to women in derogatory or discriminatory terms. Many fundies still believe (to suit their own selfish purposes) that God put women on earth for men and that 'she' should serve her man as he serves God. Women have been painted as unclean, as evil temptresses, as witches and all manner of insults. Adultery in many cultures is still considered a crime with a death penalty or stoning but only for women.

While these great divides exist I cannot buy into the demonisation of men argument to any great extent, other than to say there have been prejudices on both sides of the gender but by a long stretch it is dishonest to present the view that women are the dominant gender or aspire to be, without taking some time to really examine where the very real and potent discrimination exists.

Until we face some home truths and take a reality check we will all still be sitting here in years to come looking at gender from a self-fulfilling standpoint. Not much to be gained in that - rather we all take a good hard look and adopt a humanist approach.

If you look for feminazis you will find them but mostly they will be in your own mind.