In debate King Hazza or in seeking a resolution to a problem all views have value.
It is not fallacy but fact the man who sweeps the floor may have the answers.
I do not think Rush being caught was because of a mistake or Innocent action.
If he had been arrested here, in Australia the sentenced to say 30 years, what impact would it have on other drug carriers?
If every thing he owned,and all the Bali nine owned, no artificial transfers to protect property.
No oh let the children have the home, what impact would it have on drug importation to our country?
What impact will killing any of the Bali nine have on drug importation and selling in Australia?
The Politically Correct will stampede in, trying as they always do to control the majority saying we should not take property not give such sentences not imprison the victims.
We must do what Aussies do so well in times of trouble, stand together for fairness.
Australia has been on its knees to Indonesea for too long my past prime minister spoke of its once leader as PAPA not mine mate.

I imagine anything resulting in the AFP withholding information from Indonesia instead of tipping them off would encourage criminals instead.

The problem with repaying costs, although I admit its more tempting and would have better discouragement and penalty upon the accused is that often these people don't actually have enough money to substantiate prison coverage (which is VERY expensive), especially in their own name. Either the repatriations would be more flexible and taken less seriously and hoodwinked, they would be more inclined to return to crime to pay it off, or costs would be passed to relatives (regardless if they even LIKE the accused)?

As for Indonesia, they are technically doing us a favor. Not to mention that the drugs they are intercepting are all intended for us.

Thanks rechtub for the negativity toward my team we choked all right, back the tears after our 32 to 8 win.
I can make no impact here, let it die but some crime bosses are quite rich,some importers are seen to Be clean skins and each of us knows of some one very well off who made their money this way.
Sadly court appearances in this country are often in camera if such are involved and away from home towns.
Yet we ask another country to police our laws?

Well Indonesia is free to not care- and have the capacity to ignore us.
But it seems they also take removing the drug business from their midst as seriously as we do- they don't want the dealers setting up mafias and porting contraband (nor their own citizens taking that stuff), and we don't want it either.

As both of our drug problems come substantially from the same source, it is only logical we would join forces.

King Hazza, the only problem with your view is that is un-servicable and inaccurate.

Like all prohibitions and now days, "pro alcohol anti drug hysteria" creates opportunity for criminals.
And in Indonesia they resolve this by the execution of anyone they can make an example of.

Once again, this whole post is really about who we are. Which is basically a bunch of scared weird little people sanctifying public execution.
Prime targets in fact for any charlatan worth his salt.

Especially people of your view King Hazza. I'm sure you would wish that all think like you, but of course some people are more worldly than yourself.

But despite this you still feel you have a right to determine who should be executed and whom should not, based upon your viewpoint.
Very civilised and intelligent not.

There is no way that anyone regardless of circumstances should be officially executed in a civilised society.

To illustrate, 23000 people have been killed in a matter of months by authorities, in a war over drugs on the Mexico/Us border recently.
In a free-er society. None of this would be required.

And at the end of the day, another bunch of entrepreneurs will move in to meet the demand anyway.

The problem is the profit margin increases every time your transport prohibited things, and in Australia's case in point.
I understand Cocaine is worth ten times the value it attracts in Us in Australia.
The more hysteria you feel over this KH the more the price will just increase.
And the more unbridled power you hand to authorities, the more repressive society will become.

Regardless of what hysteria or fear you may feel over prohibited substances.
No one including the end drug users should die over this.

Thinker you are not living up to your name, because you can't tell the difference between;

a)
Either being a 'hysteric' abolitionist and death-penalty supporter
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OR,
b) when faced with the following choice;

1- tipping off a foreign police force as part of our cooperative efforts to combat interconnected transnational crime between our countries and sacrificing a handful of Australians to actually face the law of the country the offense was first committed, weighing in the fact that we were the target of their actions with potential for considerable harm to our society to consider

2- hoodwinking said police force to cover said national criminals so they may commit their crime more safely, at the risk of damaging our cooperation and encouraging more crime.

And picking 2.
There is no sweet-talking, this is exactly what I think, as much as you are clearly convinced it's more simple than that.
And I would happily endorse option 2 even if we legalized heroin here (also ignoring that their actions would still technically be a crime here).