"Voters who did not vote for Labor - 62.01%" 62.01% also did not vote for the Coalition.

It's pretty close to a dead heat, but yes, Labor won. I don't have a problem with that. But you also have a situation in a number of states where Labor has won with less than 50% of the vote. It's a wrinkle in the system that voters appear to be prepared to accept. So it does leave Oakeshott and Windsor with a question to answer. Two-party preferred you will find their electorates are not Labor voting.

If you accept that Queensland and SA have legitimate governments with less than 50% of the vote because of how it fell then there is a debate to be had about whether Labor is legitimate because of the actions of the independents in going against their electorate's overall wishes.

I'm not buying into that part of the debate. I just pointed out that Jockey's original post was wrong, as are some of his subsequent ones. It's not a point that you can have an argument around.

Belly I don't accept that SM has been more aggressive than others. I think you all need to be more civil. And that is not a comment directed specifically at SM either.

We've had minority governments right from the very beginning. It's an intrinsic part of how our system of democracy works. When they're on the losing side of minority government the losers whine for all they're worth, when they're on the winning side of minority government they applaud the "system". Ain't human nature grand!

Everyone goes into elections under the same rules, and they know exactly what those rules are and know exactly what all the possible outcomes can be.

Our very first Federal government under Edmund Barton in 1901 was a minority government. That was followed by another minority government with Alfred Deaken. In 1931 the Nationalists had a minority government when Joseph Lyons was PM. When Robert Menzies became PM in 1940 it was with a minority government (he later formed the Liberal party when it was a "liberal" party, instead of the current Libertarian, far right wing political correctness that engulfs it today). Various State governments have also had minority governments. Also, there's been occasions when majority governments have received less votes than the losers.

This is the way our system works, and this time the winner is - - - Labor.

All the figures I've posted, without exception, have been mathematically 100% correct. All figures were taken from the "official" election results. All my posts have been factually 100% correct. However, there was one single point referred to by me in a subsequent post, that related to a single earlier factual error where I accidently typed the word "not", which altered the meaning of what I was actually saying. What I was actually saying was, the Qld LNP is part of the Libs.

As we all know, the Libs and Nats in Queensland are in a mere marriage of convenience. They can't stand each other. The Nats there are the dominant party by FAR, not the Libs. As soon as either party sees an advantage in the future from dumping the other party, they'll do it quicker than you can say "bogus policy costings".

Rob Oakeshott probably did the right thing in knocking back the speaker's job. The Liberals, as expected, reneged on their agreement, so Mr Oakeshott basically had no choice but to decline. So much for group hugs and honesty and integrity.

I am not looking for confrontation GY.
I however can not agree SM is as you say.
I claim no halo but point out threads like snout in the,well it could be ten or more threads titled to offend, sleeping your way to the top comes to mind.
Kim won 51% of the vote but not office it happens.
I have never seen the bitterness after an election before and while it is true both party's got more who did not vote for them surely we are not avoiding 2pp as the measure?
Last while rude it has been me trying to put my sides faults in posts has any one from your side GY considered such a thread?
CAN WE ALL admit close to 50% want/do not want each side? if and election was held today, wish it was, we would not have a hung Parliament and I would no be so bitter if my side lost, well maybe I would but against my side.

All that really matters in this election result is (1) Labor won the two party preferred vote (2) Labor has been able to form government.

Fact + fact = reality.

And you're correct about Shadow Minister Belly.