LOL Winli........I.ll have the red handbag with the matching shoes. lol.

What is it? Is it two men together, that seems so off? But you don't mind two women getting it on. WTF!

Any one of my children could turn out to be gay, and I will love them no matter what this hypercritical world says.

Aids will catch the reckless. Why do you think they invented it "the virus", and yes they did.
Aids was made to rid mankind of its unwanted "drug user and even the unwary heterosexual"

A christian conspiracy sum might say.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15750604/

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/03/animals-are-gay.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK1b-XYgFeM

and bulls dont act out on each other...

Bullsh@t!

Do you people even read before you post?

TTM>

Smile.

Philo,

Interesting theory based on the stereotype of male prisoners but did those penguins have sex? (Admittedly the initial reference to the 1500 animal species seemed to imply that sex was involved in all cases so you might have been led into that assumption.) I am only aware of the rumours that the penguins have kept company with a male instead of a female, tried to hatch a rock instead of an egg, and stole an egg that they hatched and the occupant grew up to be a lesbian. They are seen internationally as a poster example of the naturalness of homosexuality.

Nicnoto,

I wondered where you were going due to the reference to animal acts making homosexuality God designed while rejecting rape and bestiality in your first post due to being unethical.

Eg. “Since the early 1990’s, for example, young male elephants in Pilanesberg National Park and the Hluhluwe-Umfolozi Game Reserve in South Africa have been raping and killing rhinoceroses; this abnormal behavior, according to a 2001 study in the journal Pachyderm, has been reported in ‘‘a number of reserves’’ in the region.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/magazine/08elephant.html?_r=1&pagewanted=1&ei=5070&en=ccc63627f454863c&ex=1167282000

Rape, bestiality and murder all in one hit! You seem to be adopting Runner's conflation of divine revelation, ethics and biology with a pinch of extrapolation. That would lead to the perverse conclusion that God designs some rather remarkable things for us. I'd suggest it is better to keep theology separate from biology unless you share the same philosophy. Just because things happen or are natural doesn't necessarily overlap with human ethics or theology. Even theology doesn't make that assumption.

Thank you for your comments. I hope the thread has served its purpose for you.

There are so many interesting comments
in this thread, and homosexuality is
certainly a complex issue. Still amid
the incredible variety of different
patterns, one thing is certain, the animal
kingdom is most definitely not just heterosexual.
On the other hand man's rationality pervades the
wholeness of his/her nature so that his/her
sensations, instincts, and impulses are not
purely animal but have th seal of rationality which
characterises them as human.

The Bible does condemn homosexuality. The issue is
whether the Bible is correct. The Bible santioned
slavery as well, and nowhere attacked it as unjust.
Are we prepared to argue today that slavery is
biblically justified?

mjpb

Thank you for your comments.

I would like to make clear that my rejection of rape and bestiality, due to it being unethical is exclusive to the human population, animals don't have ethics and are led by instinct so condemning that behavior is hypocritical in my opinion.

In conjunction with that, my point (my apologies for not making it clear) among the discussion of homosexuality being natural is an indirect retaliation to it being said that homosexuality is not natural.
If it is not natural, then why is it being performed within nature?
And if it is being performed within nature, then why is it condemned within society?

I can understand that after reading this with the notion that I believe life was created by a higher power, it may seem contradictory.

But let me assure you that I hold no faith in divinity,

*Just because things happen or are natural doesn't necessarily overlap with human ethics or theology*

I agree. It may have seemed that amongst the discussion with runner I was displaying my belief in God, but I was merely accepting runners approach.

The 'if it isn't hurting anyone' arguement can only go so far. Politics should place an importance on shaping the character of the individual, so that decisions made by such people do not become anti-social.

This is precisely why gay people should be welcomed into social norms and not excluded.

The importance of heterosexual coupling stems from the fact that dimorphic sex chromosomes create the greatest chance for diversity within a species. This not only explains the evolutionary drive of this characteristic but (in my view) carries great spiritual significance. We thrive as a species due to our wonderful genetic diversity.

Other animals rely on arbitrary means of sex determinism like temperature or certain early chemical signals. Human gender and sexual development however has a bases in our sex chromosomes which monitor the fairly broad degree to which early hormones influence our fetal growth.

The actual process of changing from a girl to a boy or maturing into a girl baby (because we all start off basically female) is the result of early hormone effects on the fetus. BUT these hormones (like all chemical interactions in the body) will effect development in a continuum and not act in a binary boy/girl way.

* Post continued here: http://dysfunctionalbydesign.blogspot.com/2010/09/conservative-arguement-for-gay.html

Foxy,

You are correct that it is a complex issue.

You are also correct that one issue is whether the Bible is correct (and of course other religion’s scriptures or doctrines that take a similar or more extreme view)

I’m not so open to the idea that the Bible sanctioned slavery in the sense that most people think of slavery primarily because ancient slavery was apparently at times more like modern imprisonment for serious crimes (eg. Leviticus making slaves of those who sacrificed their children cf. killing them or Exodus where a thief can work off their debt) and at other times hard to differentiate from employed servants. Further, the old Testament slavery seems to be a little less unpleasant than the African American slavery given Deuteronomy 15:16-17 which discusses the protocol for dealing with slaves who don’t want to be freed when they are eligible for parole. However I concede it is controversial if that helps.

Nicnoto,

You condemn promiscuity for any group (and I’m happy to let that slide for the moment) but you also disagree with “stereotypical "queens"”. Are you saying that a gay male is okay if they appear straight? The main issue with the stereotypical people is their voice. As apparently heterosexual (if not extremely macho monsterish) Mike Tyson demonstrates that is a difficult thing to shake even if you end up developing as a heterosexual. You would expect it to be particularly so when it is subculturally sanctioned. As regards the mannerisms, when you are in the male fraction of the 2.5% of the population it must be hard to know how to conduct yourself. I knew a young gay man recently who (without an apparent transgender issue) seemed to be trying to work out whether he should act more like a man or a woman because, although he knew he wasn’t a woman, he felt different to most men.

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