*Your sarcastic comment about sexual power is a new low, even for you.*

Suze, there is indeed an old saying that the truth hurts. So be it.

*You are a worry. The only person that gives someone sexual power over you is you.*

No need to worry about me, Pelican. Worry about those married men
who made a commitment and are now over a barrel legally. She
makes the laws in bed and if he objects and leaves, she cleans him
out in the courts. I'm just pointing out that she has all the
power that she needs. My sympathies are with the blokes on this one.

There is no need to get all defensive, for their are plenty of women
who readily admit to misusing their powers. Why? Because they can.

*Women and men are both entitled to earn what they are worth or be paid equally for equal work.*

Actually, unless its something like piecework, all employees should
be paid what they are worth to the business and that is usually
quite different between people, even of the same gender. Some
employees make a profit for the business, others are little but
a liability, legally protected.

Not sure what sexual power has got to do with child support commitments in the courts but that is another issue I guess. Do you mean to say all these married men are not in love with their wives but have been fooled and drawn in by our sexual powers. I don't think you are giving me enough credit.

Sexual attraction works both ways Yabby otherwise women would never have sex. It is a mutually pleasurable arrangement. It is usually when other things go wrong in a relationship that sex becomes an issue.

Yabby I agree with your last paragraph but you have to have at least a minimum standard wage for the value of the work done - bonuses can work on the incentive/reward side beyond that. :)

Pelican:"The point is why are you so concerned about women earning more than men at all but not worried about the fact your daughter may earn less than your son."

The point is tht I'm not concerned at all that she'll earn less as amatter of course. I don't believe there's been any danger of that for any woman born in the last 30 years or more except insofar as lifestyle choices impact on their earning capacity.

Pelican:"Why are men more entitled to higher wages? "

Why do you ask? Who's suggested such a thing?

Pelican:"Your dislike of a sense of entitlement appears to only pertain to women yet men have been earning more than women for eons"

So? They're not earning more any more and haven't been for years. As I said earlier, I don't believe two wrongs make a right, or that the loudest complainers should be the most heavily rewarded.Both those things seem to be central to the feminist argument as expounded here. That may be due to the large number of women contributors who draw their income from the public purse, rather than through their own creative and productive efforts and who expect seniority and reward to follow extended service,no matter how uninspired.

Pelican:"it only becomes one when the rules are different for either gender, which is why feminism emerged to bring about the balance."

Feminism did indeed emerge out of a sense of injustice.Where that has lead is best shown by Suzeonline's comments.I reject her view as fatuous and self-serving.

Yabby is spot on with his comments. Women have always relied on the "power of the pussy" and it'sdisingenuous to pretend otherwise. It's just one of the aspects of this topic that are carefully avoided by the "feminists".

Yabs
That was meant to read I 'don't think you give men enough credit'.

Antiseptic
Two wrongs don't make a right but where is the wrong in the context of the article about Gen Y.

No-one is arguing women should earn more than men for the same work or that women should earn more than men period. People will earn what they earn. At the moment it is pretty equal. It will never by totally equal as you said in view of lifestyle choices but as long as the starting point and the opportunities are equal then the rest is up to us. Have more faith in your son and daughter to make the choices that make them happiest. A high income is not the meaning of life nor to happiness necessarily. The opportunities are there for both your son and you daughter if they have the aptitude and/or the desire in whatever choices they make.

As for sexual power, that is one thing that only you can give away. You guys talk about female sexual power as though you have no control over how you respond to it, which clearly you do. To repeat - give men a little more credit.

PS: Whether a man or a woman is paid by the public purse or not they are still paid for their own creative and productive efforts just as in the private sector (I have worked in both and run a business). I don't think a police officer or a nurse or a policy writer would work any less harder if they were employed by a private entity.

A good work ethic is not confined to any one sector.

Fascinating stuff. Seems to me that those unfortunate men who apparently feel threatened not only by well-paid professional women but also by women's "sexual power" might be a bit lacking in the latter commodity.

Of course, it's coincidental that they're single and middle-aged.

Pelican:"No-one is arguing women should earn more than men for the same work or that women should earn more than men period."

Actually, Suzeonline is. I'm glad to see you don't agree with her.

Pelican:"that is one thing that only you can give away"

Actually, it's a part of our biological hardwiring. Young men especially (except those like CJ, of course, the poor things) are driven very much by their desire for sex and are easily manipulated in pursuit of it. I can recall spending half my wage on my girlfriend as a matter of routine when I was a young bloke. That contribution is uncounted by the statisticians,but she owned her late model car and had a tidy deposit toward a flat while I had sex pretty regularly.

The same thing occurs in marriage.The wife soon learns that sex can be readily traded for a quid pro quo and if she's smart, she uses that. Much of the feminist effort has been aimed at pretending that quid pro quo doesn't exist as a serious factor, but I say it informs all intimate relationships between the genders.

Every young woman knows these things. My daughter knew it at 13 or less. Your argument pretends that these motives are optional and is flawed as a result.

Pelican:"A good work ethic is not confined to any one sector."

But the prevalence is quite different, hence my comment.

CJMorgan:"Look at me, aren't I clever?"

No,not really. "Castrated" is more the word I'd use.