You're right, CJ, I should have added anthropologists to the list of the mathematically inept. Sorry about the omission.

Dear Antiseptic,

Prejudice is an irrational, inflexible attitude toward
an entire category of people. The word literally
means "prejudged." It usually implies negative feelings -
antipathy, hostility, even fear. The key feature of prejudice
is that it is always rooted in generalizations and so
ignores the differences among individuals. Thus, someone
who is prejudiced against women will tend to have a
negative attitude toward any woman, in the belief that
all women share the same supposed traits. When I said
"You life is not my fault," I was trying to make that
point. You accused me of "faux victimhood," yet you're
the one who's started threads about what you perceive
to be injustices against yourself/ men - and it somehow always
comes down to being the fault of women.

Selective perception and labelling - we understand,
that's your thing.
However, as I've stated previously as far as earnings
are concerned for Australia - the recent statistics are on
record - all you have to do is actually want to access them.

'"woman as professional,man as tradesman". >>

As opposed to the old paradigm of "woman indoors, man outdoors"'

Sounds to me like nothing has changed. 'er indoors as Authur Daley used to say.

I think electricians and plumbers and miners get paid really well. Anyway, as I always say, people know the kind of salaries to be expected from different occupations before they decide on a career.

The common feminist argument about 'womens work' paying less is weird (They say it's sexist to call it that until they need to use it to argue about pay equality). There's nothing stopping women from choosing to be miners.

I always wonder why people are drawn to being teachers and nurses and then complain about the pay. Obviously now some are wising up, and going into OH&S and HR; You still get to stay inside out of the sun and rain and stay clean and tidy, but you get paid more.

Some people like to be outside, others like to sit around and type crap on OLO and go to frivolous meetings and drink coffee. I form the latter group.

That's what education is for really. You get educated so you can get more money for doing very little work. But then when it's sunny I do sometimes envy the council workers sitting around in the sun and eating hamburgers at 930 in the morning.

Life's not so bad anti. We all have choices.

I think in this case, men are getting paid less because of their choices. See I'm consistent; I think Women get paid less when they choose to be the teachers and nurses, and men get paid less when they choose to do dirty manual work.

Of course in all this, the feminsts 'societal expectations' only apply to women of course. They're the real victims anti, and don't you forget that. If men had societal expectations to deal with then they could be considered victims too.

It is a bit disingenuous for some of you guys to pretend the issue of wage disparity has not derived from a long history of women being paid less for the same work.

Now that we have some equality in the field, and in one example a pot-stirrer poster from wayback has put up one article about Geny Y girls earning more than the boys (in the US I might add) all hell breaks loose.

For starters, it is impossible for any society to ever be perfectly equal. The logical expectation is that at any time, taking into account many other variables, the graph will dip and peak over a period of time. Comments about the hypocrisy of feminists in relation to this one article is to really diminish the capability of human beings to reason without prejudice.

I don't care if Yabby or Antiseptic resent women generally and it shows in their comments. It is their life to do and think as they like but on a site like this don't feign insult when people pull you up on it. Think what you will by all means but some of the more derisive comments get in the way of reasoned argument. And if you use put-downs then anything of sense or merit you may have to say gets lost in the negativity.

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Imagine the outcry from some if a female poster was to say "men are self-serving, selfish gits who wouldn't know fidelity if they fell over it and they are all rapists and child abusers". This is exactly the sort of comments that come out of Yabby and Antiseptic in regard to women with accusations of money-hungry anti-sex extortionists. See the problem.

It is just human nature to take offence at such derisory and generalised comments. We can pretend we should just consider the 'argument' separately but we are foolish to pretend any inbuilt prejudices do not influence the argument. It certainly influences an ability to walk in another man or woman's shoes and until you do that it is superfluous to just carry on as usual with the same old anti-women comments. I don't think I have ever heard one positive thing about women from some posters on OLO and if you think that is conducive to good debate you are wrong.

To bring out the old feminists are out there trying to keep men down paranoia is beneath all of you who are usually intelligent in your reasoning skills.

nothing wrong with the new type women. If I meet a highly-paid professional chick, I'll spend more time in the gym and tanning on the beach. I could be the perfect 'trophy hubby'.

CJ, can I come to see your electricians? I'll bring my own videocam to record the 'sparks flying'. Hope they're wearing rubber for insulation.