Banjo
I am not "playing with words. You are mistaken.

The people you(and your links)are referring to are people who come here to live, without a visa/papers and ARENT REFUGEES.

If you are a refugee you are allowed to enter Australia, with or without visa/papers etc, to apply for asylum.

These are two separate issues and you, and others, seem too unintelligent to understand the difference. Do you even understand what a refugee is?

We detain people because we are led by racist, dog whistling scum, prepared to torture and mistreat people to try and stay in power.

As I said before, past experience has shown that virtually all boat arrivals ARE genuine refugees and after their lengthy torture at the hands of our government they have almost all been granted residence and citizenship. We also have to pay for their medical treatment and ongoing mental issues as a result of us wonderful Aussies locking them up for years. In many cases longer than you would get for murder or rape! Supporters of this disgusting system should hang their heads in shame.

Richie
What type of documents exactly can someone get from the Taliban? Im sure the Sri Lankan government were lining up to hand out visas to the tamils. NOT!
What cant you understand about someone fleeing a murderous or despotic regime not being able to just wander into their governments offices and ask for a passport or a visa? What is so hard to understand that when the troops or the mob are coming up the road and you have to flee you may not have time to grab your "papers"?

Your lack of empathy and charity sickens me. All of you.

OK so I am xenophobic racist and throw in red neck with it.
Lets forget those people who wait who have not got the cash to break the law.
Lets forget the few anti Australian trouble makers who came this way.
Every day I learn some thing new, I thought I was just aware of a problem, one that may haunt this country for generations.
And while I failed maths surely if more do not want boat people than do and will vote that way is it not clear both party's must react.
I am not happy to cross verbal swords with CJM but can we.those who hold views you do not like all be racists?
every day I hear people from most of this worlds country's saying not just here but world wide, uninvited gate crashers concern them.
Fact is most of the world is concerned at growing separatism within our country's, growing numbers ,far too many for this country to take, wanting to come.
Labor with my support tried a softer way, it failed.
I forever am Labor union worker but not a racist.
Have we all given to Pakistan? I did today bit short this week now but this racist xenophobic will not see kids starve if he can help it, may be another few weeks before I hit the tin for OLO GY.

I think the overriding issue is security. Boat arrivals have no documents yet they travelled legally from home through airports and across borders to reach the demarcation point. Thousands of families wait in refugee camps year in and year out for an opportunity come to Australia, they are on the list, but they have missed the boat it seems. We should have the right to screen their documents not just their story before they enter, the Indonesians did.

Dear Mikk,
To get to SE Asia they had papers as they didn't have wings attached or a tail so they came in through SE Asia not direct from Afghanistan or Sri Lanka. Your lack of intregity and B/S sicken me. Don't play the hurt card as it is obvious you are twisting the story to get your perceived outcome.

"To get to SE Asia they had papers"

So they floated on their "papers" did they?

Would it be ok by you if they did come direct from Afghanistan or Sri Lanka? Whats the difference. Are they refugees or not?

I ask again do you even know what a refugee is?

The crux of the matter is you lot dont recognise or comprehend what a refugee is and why we offer them our protection.

If you think we shouldnt accept them fair enough then fight for a change of our laws and responsibilities under the UN treaties. Bear in mind how it will make our extremely lucky and wealthy country look in the eyes of the world to be turning our backs on people in need. But dont rabbit on with this total garbage pushed by the conservatives that boat people are illegal, or queue jumpers or potential terrorists etc etc etc.

Dear Mikk,
Are there no honourable men left, are all corrupt, If so this world is surely in REAL trouble. Mikk are you the only righteous man standing between the rest of us and Armageddon, or is it time to say " SIT DOWN SATIN". I honestly do not know whether you are gullible or corrupt but you definitely do not travel in the same world I travel. I do not judge you as there is one other who is the Judge and He is Truth and has compassion for sinners. If you don't know him yet I suggest you seek him out while grace remains. To get to SE Asia they had papers and money. To get a seat on the boat they had a lot of money. I grew up in the midst of the migrant boom and there is none so dumb as he who does not wish to be understood " noo spiker de ingles ", but have found most to be the same because there is only one race, the human race. So it is your choice whether you belong to the Good Shepherd, or to the large flock of goats. I haven't heard or any boats from Sri Lanka or Afghanistan so to get to SE Asia they had money and papers(travel documents) so what did they do with those documents. Again I repeat Que Jumpers. Encouraged by the soft approach to disregard the laws of travel. You would be the first to scream foul if they came and destroyed your house and made it very personal.