Here is one of the the user suggestions to the Liberal website that triggered the Gun Control Australia rant - which I wrote.

(The other was a suggestion for handgun carry licenses which I view as politically unrealistic)

Quote:
"Time for a new National Agreement on Firearms"
It is past time for evidence-based gun controls. The 1996 National Agreement on Firearms was based on 1980s ideas from academics, activists and senior police of the National Committee on Violence. Rhetoric about 'America' blamed ordinary people for problems that have little to do with Australian reality. The emotional climate of 1996 resulted in laws that show 'moral superiority', but place very unfair burdens on innocent Australians that use firearms in daily life.

Recent research has shown that the high cost and regulatory burdens were not particularly beneficial in terms of lives saved or reduced violence. Social contagion theory best accounts for the massacres not as functions of 'availability' but of imitation, triggered by activism and sensational media reporting. The cessation of massacres is likely because media stopped framing stories that such crimes were 'easy' because of then gun laws.

A new Agreement on firearms should keep the helpful parts while dropping the parts that are based in elite contempt. "
End quote.

ChrisPer "There is no link to the Libs policy "

So that explains the opening lines of your post...

"Tony Abbott, the Liberal Party, and Gun Fanatics
Gun Control Australia

"The Liberal Party’s website has come up with one of the most horrific and dangerous ideas of the last 100 years – to allow hundreds of thousands of Australians to carry concealed loaded pistols and revolvers.

We condemn Tony Abbott, his Attorney-General George Brandis, and the Shadow Parliamentary Secretary for Justice and Public Security, Mr Jason Wood MP....."

Why will I have difficulty in believing anything you write from now on?

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Stern, I posted that not to slag the Liberals, but to publicise an unhinged person slagging the Liberals read my post immediately above. That person is routinely quoted by journalists despite his ravings being transparently loopy.

As to 'shame' for slagging the Libs, they are used to it. Go talk to the ABC and read The Drum. Its a taxpayer-funded free-for-all to slag Liberals.

Hasbeen- simple reason is I would need a lot of reassurances that if firearms were re-legalized: educational, cultural and restriction guidelines would be satisfying.

As violent crime in America is more heavily leaning towards armed criminals attacking other criminals, and then innocent civilians; while most violent crime in Australia are aggravated brawls, I think it's vital this is secured first.

The coppers here say much crime is between criminals too. Most of the 'home invasions' in the news are over drug debts or drug dealings by the victims.

As far as changing the gun laws, most people don't know what they actually are, how they work in practice, or what the costs are. There is an assumption that what we have now is good, so any change requested by those in contact with them must be bad.

Its not easy being a gun fanatic...

Shooting enthusiasts, or gun fanatics as Tracy Grimshaw et al might them, are often painted as rednecks blasting away at anything that moves as well as traffic signs. I'm sure they are all walks of life, same as golfers/surfers/motorists etc.

There is an element of truth in the slogan that if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns, already it is cheaper and easier to get an illegal gun than jump through all the hoops to get a legal one. The one month cool-down period etc., would seem to make it more likely the person would calm down and go home. In reality, I'm certain potential murderers would be more likely to already have an illegal gun. A licensed gun person would be less likely to wave a gun around in a dispute, as they would know well that doing so means losing all their guns and license instantly.

Guns are a bit like V8 cars, those that dont have or want one think nobody should have one. But also, those that dont have or want a V8 car are soft in the head.