"How stupid do you think we are?"

"WE" in plural? Are you a member, representing any particular group?

"You people are trying to deny the reality and defend facism"

"YOU PEOPLE"? Again, whom are you addressing here?

Please check the Wikipedia before referring to terms you know not about, because fascism is the ideology that claims that the state takes precedence over the individual.

Speaking for myself alone, I have always been a staunch opponent of fascism and you are welcome to read my posts here on these matters. I always stand for the individual right to free-choice and deny any right of the state to interfere in people's private affairs.

Yuyutsu, is an oligarchical facism whereby large corporates dominate our Govts.By we, I mean the public and if you like all people who want freedom.

Yabby ,both you and Pericles are sounding like the AFP officer a met outside the ABC studios 11/9/2009 for our http://ae911truth.org/ protest."Don't be alarmed,I'm here to protect you.Certain right wing forces might not like what your are doing." It was quite surreal.My closing statement was that the truth must come out even if it takes years.That piercing departing look was not one of approval.

Again I hear from people who like yourselves saying that I'm being alarmed.Oligarchical facism is something to be concerned about.The evidence is palpable.

Arjay, I wonder how we digressed so far.

You still have not answered my questions about your collective identity and presumably mine too.

Yes, fascism is bad, including "oligarchical facism", but then I am even more confused as to why should you accuse me of supporting it, even though the whole thing is totally off-topic. I also cannot see any connection between this whole new subject and your original post, which is about those two silly Americans proposing to nuke off my family in Israel. Do you stand by their ideas?

I hope you are aware, Arjay, that if Israel is nuked, than about 400 nuclear war-heads are going to fall all over the world, including over the U.S.A if they initiate it. Very few of us will survive this nuclear winter, yet the idea seems to warm your heart.

Yuyustu,Nobody wants to nuke Israel.As you have noted they do have 400+ possible nukes.We know Israel is pushing for a war with Iran.Who said the USA wanted to attack Isarel? This is the last thing they want.The USA as echoed by Admiral Mullen does not want to be drawn into more wars.They are already broke.Attacking Iran will bring on a major confrontation.Iraq was a lie .There were no weapons of mass destruction and Iraq had nothing to do with the phantom Bin Laden.It was all about taking the oil and so is attacking Iran about imperialism.

Alan Sabrovski is in a minority when he talks of aggression against Israel from US sources.I think he was just stirring the pot .If Israel and the neo-cons in the USA think they can have a limited nuclear war,then they as are mad as Kim Jong Il.

PS.By "we" I mean most sane level headed beings of common sense.

Well, that's good news, Arjay, I was under the, apparently wrong, impression that those silly CIA agents recommended Obama to bomb Israel to prevent it from bombing Iran.

Israel has never broken the nuclear non proliferation treaty - it simply never signed it and never claimed it does not have nukes. What's wrong with that? Israel has no choice but to defend itself from anyone who threatens to wipe it off the map, whether it happens to be Iran, the USA, or anyone else. It is time that you also begin to recognize that Israel and the USA are completely separate entities and one is not responsible for the policies of the other.

So this was a misunderstanding and the USA nearly got knocked down as a result, but we did find out in time, didn't we, and so the world was saved and we can leave it at that and go to bed peacefully.

You were close, Yuyutsu.

>>Well, that's good news, Arjay, I was under the, apparently wrong, impression that those silly CIA agents recommended Obama to bomb Israel to prevent it from bombing Iran.<<

What he was actually saying was that "those silly CIA agents recommended Obama to bomb the USA, to prevent it from bombing Iran."

It's all about black ops and false flag attacks, allowing plausible deniability to that horrid, horrid secret cabal of international banksters.

Where have you been?