Philip Giraldi and Ray McGovern are ex-CIA agents who now want Obama to pre-empt Israel's attack on Iran and end a very possible nuclear war.http://mycatbirdseat.com/2010/08/philip-giraldi-and-ray-mcgovern-call-president-to-preempt-israeli-attack-on-iran/

China has been arming Iran for quite some time with conventional weapons,particularily anti-ballistic weaponry.Israel has been pushing for an attack on Iran and people like Admiral Mullen chair of the joint chiefs of staff USA,has warned of the serious consequences if Iran is invaded.Iran is a major supplier of energy to China and like Japan pre-WW2 will not be starved of it.This is not like the invasion of Iraq.Iran has serious conventional weapons and has allies in China and Russia.

Israel against all non-nuclear proliferation treaties is said to have hundreds of nukes,yet the proof of Iran having one is non-existant.Let's put weapons inspectors in both countries to determine the truth.

Go Israel! the sooner the better.

AIR,you are as MAD as Israeli neo-cons.

It's all OK, Arjay, don't panic.

>>Philip Giraldi and Ray McGovern are ex-CIA agents who now want Obama to pre-empt Israel's attack on Iran and end a very possible nuclear war<<

It's just a couple of old has-beens wittering on in an attempt at self-aggrandizement. They do not present a single shred of real evidence, just a series of one-sided views of the players involved.

Do you believe for a moment that these folk - they weren't very high up in the organization even when they were employees - have information that isn't available to CIA agents who are presently employed? Or that there is not already a constant dialogue between the US and Israel, at many different levels?

Calm down, take a deep breath, and say to yourself "it will be all right, don't worry Arjay" in a soft and soothing voice.

Pericles,This is coming from more than one source.Israel wants a war because it has a long history of staging false flag events and now has been caught out staging a really big one.

It has the motive,the intent and up until now the one who benefited most.The pathological war mongerers are trapped and thus will take us all to the brink to save themselves.

So let's put the weapons inspectors in both Israel and Iran.What say you? Ya or nay?

On what grounds, Arjay?

>>let's put the weapons inspectors in both Israel and Iran.What say you? Ya or nay?<<

What gives you the right to "inspect" anything?

You sound like a neo-con hawk, sure you do.

Come now Pericles.Your protest too much.Israel has broken the nuclear non proliferation treaty .We all know they have hidden nukes.Iran is accused of having them and Israel wants to go to war on a whim?

What hypocracy! Let's put and truely international team of inspectors in both countries and determine the truth.

You and others are quite happy to let Israel instigate a major conflict and let the USA suffer the consequences.China and Russia will not back down.Admiral Mullen has expressed his dimay at Israel's attitude.The US Congress is in the grip of AIPAC because they have strong backing from the Federal Reserve.They hold the purse strings but not the allegiance of the Military to the US people.

Do you not see the conflict of interest here?

In a "civilised" world, weapons inspections would be mandatory for ALL countries!

But we're not that "civilised" yet. I doubt we ever will be. And most of us couldn't care less.

Surely you don't want that to happen, Arjay - because once Israel is gone, what are you going to write about? you're going to be bored to death, or otherwise, which other country will you be picking on next?

On the actual point, I believe that those two American clowns have not done their homework. They overlooked the fact that Israel is so divided within, so splintered, that it is practically paralyzed and cannot possibly initiate such an attack - which is a pity, because in 5-10 years down the line that means Iranian nukes falling on most European capitals.

Dear Arjay.. me mad ? :) of course... I'm one of Pauls mob remember... see what Festus said to him during his defense to King Agrippa ...

Acts 26:24 At this point Festus interrupted Paul's defense. "You are out of your mind, Paul!" he shouted. "Your great learning is driving you insane."

You ought to read the whole chapter.. have you ever done so ? It makes great 'thriller' reading mate.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+26&version=NIV

Perilous..what about you ?

Arjay.. Pericles kinda rounded it up in his 3rd sentence.

I worry more about you though, it seems you have become so addicted to all this stuff that you have gone from sniffing the occasional pot of petrol, to mainlining on conspiracy heroin.

You speak as if 'we' can do something about these things... good grief. I can tell you where it's heading, but you won't like that.

"Armageddon" seriously. I don't know when, but as sure as day follows night there will be a mega conflict which wraps up history and the timetable is beyond our comprehension and understanding.

These things you mention are but bit players in the final scene.

The *only* question you (and all of us) should be primarily concerned about is.."are we ready"... in heart and mind and spirit, to face our maker on the Last day.

As Jesus said when his disciples were in fear of man

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." Matt 10:28

Yuyutsu,There us no proof that Iran has nukes.It's only error was to have too much oil and now we find has even more natural gas.Iran's leaders are oppressive but also are many countries around the planet.The USA backed Pol Pot whoe murdered at least 1 million ,they created Saddham and removed him when he did not bend to their will.The biggest mistke of Saddham was to stop trading in US $ when selling oil.It is the petro $ that props up the US currency.

We find the same pattern if Afghanistan.UNOCAL oil wants the pipe line.Hamid Karzai used to contract to them.Now we find there are $ trillions in resources there.

It was always about energy/resources.Zibigniew Brezezinski pre 911,"What we need is a truely massive and widely perceived direct external threat." Clinton is reported to said to the Taliban," You can have a carpet of gold ,or a carpet of bombs."

Enter terrorism the enemy to replace communism and thus Al Queda with the evil Osama who nobody can find.Now we have scientific evidence that 911 was another false flag event like the 1966 Liberty event,staged by Israel.How stupid do you think we are?

You people are trying to deny the reality and defend facism.

*Calm down, take a deep breath, and say to yourself "it will be all right, don't worry Arjay" in a soft and soothing voice.*

Hehe Pericles, I love it ! But that would take away his thrills,
which conspiracy lovers live for.

"How stupid do you think we are?"

"WE" in plural? Are you a member, representing any particular group?

"You people are trying to deny the reality and defend facism"

"YOU PEOPLE"? Again, whom are you addressing here?

Please check the Wikipedia before referring to terms you know not about, because fascism is the ideology that claims that the state takes precedence over the individual.

Speaking for myself alone, I have always been a staunch opponent of fascism and you are welcome to read my posts here on these matters. I always stand for the individual right to free-choice and deny any right of the state to interfere in people's private affairs.

Yuyutsu, is an oligarchical facism whereby large corporates dominate our Govts.By we, I mean the public and if you like all people who want freedom.

Yabby ,both you and Pericles are sounding like the AFP officer a met outside the ABC studios 11/9/2009 for our http://ae911truth.org/ protest."Don't be alarmed,I'm here to protect you.Certain right wing forces might not like what your are doing." It was quite surreal.My closing statement was that the truth must come out even if it takes years.That piercing departing look was not one of approval.

Again I hear from people who like yourselves saying that I'm being alarmed.Oligarchical facism is something to be concerned about.The evidence is palpable.

Arjay, I wonder how we digressed so far.

You still have not answered my questions about your collective identity and presumably mine too.

Yes, fascism is bad, including "oligarchical facism", but then I am even more confused as to why should you accuse me of supporting it, even though the whole thing is totally off-topic. I also cannot see any connection between this whole new subject and your original post, which is about those two silly Americans proposing to nuke off my family in Israel. Do you stand by their ideas?

I hope you are aware, Arjay, that if Israel is nuked, than about 400 nuclear war-heads are going to fall all over the world, including over the U.S.A if they initiate it. Very few of us will survive this nuclear winter, yet the idea seems to warm your heart.

Yuyustu,Nobody wants to nuke Israel.As you have noted they do have 400+ possible nukes.We know Israel is pushing for a war with Iran.Who said the USA wanted to attack Isarel? This is the last thing they want.The USA as echoed by Admiral Mullen does not want to be drawn into more wars.They are already broke.Attacking Iran will bring on a major confrontation.Iraq was a lie .There were no weapons of mass destruction and Iraq had nothing to do with the phantom Bin Laden.It was all about taking the oil and so is attacking Iran about imperialism.

Alan Sabrovski is in a minority when he talks of aggression against Israel from US sources.I think he was just stirring the pot .If Israel and the neo-cons in the USA think they can have a limited nuclear war,then they as are mad as Kim Jong Il.

PS.By "we" I mean most sane level headed beings of common sense.

Well, that's good news, Arjay, I was under the, apparently wrong, impression that those silly CIA agents recommended Obama to bomb Israel to prevent it from bombing Iran.

Israel has never broken the nuclear non proliferation treaty - it simply never signed it and never claimed it does not have nukes. What's wrong with that? Israel has no choice but to defend itself from anyone who threatens to wipe it off the map, whether it happens to be Iran, the USA, or anyone else. It is time that you also begin to recognize that Israel and the USA are completely separate entities and one is not responsible for the policies of the other.

So this was a misunderstanding and the USA nearly got knocked down as a result, but we did find out in time, didn't we, and so the world was saved and we can leave it at that and go to bed peacefully.

You were close, Yuyutsu.

>>Well, that's good news, Arjay, I was under the, apparently wrong, impression that those silly CIA agents recommended Obama to bomb Israel to prevent it from bombing Iran.<<

What he was actually saying was that "those silly CIA agents recommended Obama to bomb the USA, to prevent it from bombing Iran."

It's all about black ops and false flag attacks, allowing plausible deniability to that horrid, horrid secret cabal of international banksters.

Where have you been?

"Where have you been?"

I had many better things to attend to, Pericles.
As long as I know that my family is safe, I really don't care what the Americans do or don't, besides I did not understand half the things you wrote anyway.

Have a nice day!

Pericles,You are again trying to distort the truth.I have no vendetta against the people of Israel.They are as much the victims as many in the USA.It is the Oligarchs and their control via the corporate elites who are destroying real civilisation.

Alan Zabrovsky is Jewish and so are some in the http://www.ae911truth.org/
Many within the Jewish community are their own greatest critics.Albert Einstein is quoted often on this site http://www.wearechange.org/