The final authority in any discussion on the church is the Word of God and it clearly states, You are all one in Christ neither male or female.
If the same spirit that raised Christ from the dead does not live in you
you are not a christian at all and what you do or say has no authority
in God for you are just name dropping. If the church teaches tradition
as truth it has no authority and is irrelevant. Tradition nulifies the power of the word to save.

Pynchme... read your link, thanks for that. It seems to confirm at least some of what this thread is about.

I am none the wiser though, as to why those women would persist with the 'Christianity' angle and keep plugging away within the overall structure, rather than develop exactly the machinery they have already created and keep fighting those gormless fundies in an attempt to release their sisters, and brothers for that matter, since they are equally trapped and deluded, from the false bondage that grips them all.

It would be good to have that article as the basis for another thread, and Runner et al., could all tell us where it was SO WRONG and the work of the anti-Christ, and Evil.

'Poor Rusty, marrying such a worthless women' might be the outcome of their scribblings here... I wonder?

Your post started... 'Someone was once asked how they could be both Christian and feminist and they answered something like, "Christianity is about helping others in need and feminism likewise fights for social justice, how can I not be both?"'.

A good question, and one I asked myself when I read some self-promoting blurb about Keneally, the NSW premier, Papist and feminist, who claims she became a feminist when she realised that no women would ever become a Catholic priest.

She may well delude herself into thinking she is a feminist, but I suspect she is merely a Catholic-politician-of-the-Age, since she seems to have done little to promote the cause for women (and there by men too) in NSW at all, and is just about to cave in to the Axis of Evil on the St. James trial there.

What really concerns me about the question you pose above, is that 'helping others' is not a monopoly activity of Christians, but one undertaken by 'people', all over the world, some of whom happen to be Christian.

continued...

from above...

It is instructive to read accounts of travelling cyclists, as they wend their way over Europe towards Istanbul and further east, as they marvel at the hospitality of the Muslim villagers who feed, water and house them for no rent or payment, as their European counterparts had done too, via Couchsurfers or WarmShowers lists,but in the main, the Muslim folk were dead broke and ill-clothed.

As I read their posts on crazyguyonabike.com it is clear that Islam teaches these people to care for strangers, which they do diligently, so it seems.

So, it cannot be 'Christianity' that drives this need to care, but perhaps a well-developed sense of justice, and an understanding of 'injustice'.

Sticking the sins of Eve onto all women, can hardly be described as 'justice', I would have thought.

This facility to assist others must have been a survival practice, long before any of the religions stole it as an identity-signature for their particular brand.

Is it not possible to do what Anne Eggebroten and her group attempt to do, without overloading the actions with religious mumbo-jumbo, particularly when it is that same mumbo-jumbo they are trying to undo?

"We'll just have to disagree on the credibility of your beliefs, while I acknowledge your right to keep them."

Thank you and ditto.

"But ... your mob kept to themselves, harming only those who elected to sign up to 'the joke'."

That topic can be addressed in a suitable thread (yet again)

"...fuming over women riding bicycles, voting, holding bank accounts in their own right, and keeping their own names should they elect to marry?"

My concern is that you might be serious. Please reassure me.

"... the 'female' view you put is merely the result of cultural training, the hegemony of our society, from long back."

Wow! Are you female or is this an all an Ali G type support of women's rights?

"Sticking the sins of Eve onto all women, can hardly be described as 'justice', I would have thought."

Please don't attribute female ordination to that. The scary thing is that people will repeat it. You seem to be taken as more of an authority on Catholic belief than the Pope by some in here.

Pelican,

"If women are so 'evil'"

"Why is ... protecting child abusers perfectly okay?."

Beats me too as does the relevance of those opinions. I thought you were discussing the Catholic Church. Those assertions are quite contrary to Catholic belief.

Squeers,

So you are trying to say that you think religious people are stupid and atheists are clever? You might as well save words.

Foxy,

Where do you get the received thing from? Is it from Collins? I have read that somewhere in some book critical of the Catholic Church. If (and I strongly doubt the concept is correctly applied) that were true then why would it apply to contraception? Every Christian Church believed that scriptures held that to be correct until the 1930s when anglicans led the reinterpretation. The Catholic Church is the only one that didn't change (that I am aware of). Do you mean re-received when it was confirmed in Humanae Vitae and many Catholics didn't like it?

mjpb wrote: “Beats me too as does the relevance of those opinions. I thought you were discussing the Catholic Church. Those assertions are quite contrary to Catholic belief.”

I’ll ignore the subtle and deliberate switch from “Catholic Church” to “Catholic belief” and simply state: By their deeds ye shall know them.

Dear mjpb,

You got it in one.

It is from Paul Collins.

He's the expert, I'm not.

Dear TBC,

I've really got nothing further to add.
I've tried to explain things from a
Catholic woman's perspective - because
you asked for input. I don't care to
make this a gender issue.
See you on another thread.