Foxy

You don't need to explain to me - try explaining to StG.

I have not the slightest doubt that StG is trying to claim that Marxism is has at its roots, atheism.

As Pelican said Marxism and atheism are completely different topics, for the former one requires an entire thesis for the latter it is straightforward either you believe or you don't. Perhaps StG would be better served to use Agnosticism, but then I imagine that Agnostics would reject be tarred with the worst of communism as well and quite rightly.

I don't blame all Christians for the shooting of doctors in family planning clinics, nor should atheists be blamed for the atrocities of Stalin.

In fact, I have had a gutful of the blame game lately - there are too many people whose entire world view is Orwellian - they are free to cast aspersions, but no-one is allowed to criticise them without being threatened across threads!

WTF is wrong with acceptance? Why are homosexuals pilloried? Why are those who value the environment regarded as soft? Why are those who'd wipe out entire tracts of land in pursuit of resources treated with respect, but people who rescue stray animals regarded as somewhat eccentric?

All I can do is try to take care of my tiny place here, I can't make significant changes all I can do is refuse to be silenced when those who hold differing opinions would try to silence me.

Foxy summarizes Marx as follows:

//To Marx, belief in religion was a profound form of
human alienation, the situation in which people
lose their control over the social world they have
created, with the result that they find themselves
"alien" in a hostile environment.//

The Christian/Biblical situation is nothing like that.

Here is the truth.

Eph 2:11ff

11Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision" (that done in the body by the hands of men)— 12remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

ALIENATION.....that Christians know, is the one they experienced outside of Christ.

REPATRIATION.... as the last verse says....in Christ we have been 'brought near' and the alienation is now ended.

Marx...was wrong...and anyone embracing his ideas about human alienation is also incorrect. (from a Biblical perspective)

Dear Severin,

I know where you're coming from.

I was attacked for trying to answer another
posters questions on an article thread.
It becomes blatantly obvious at times that
those who often claim objectivity are in
fact dogmatically, idealogically biased,
and any opposing point of view is taken
personally, and seen as criticism. Then it
usually gets downright nasty and personal.
Which to me is a sign of intellectual bankruptcy.

If it's of any consequence, you are a poster
that is much admired by so many of us on OLO,
and quite frankly I wouldn't change you for quids.
It's Thanks to people like yourself, that I'm
still posting.

Dear AGIR,

Given the social conditions that provoked their
inquiry, the early sociologists focused their
attention on the forces that hold society together
and on the forces that fragment it.
People like Auguste Comte, Herbert Spencer,
Karl Marx, Emile Durkheim, and Max Weber.

Perhaps a further study of the topic
might be in order for you
so that you can fathom what is actually being
discussed here.

Right. For the last time.

This. Isn't. About. Atheism.

I'm not replying because no one here is on topic. I'm NOT ATTACKING ATHEISM. What, because I'm Christian I can't try and raise topics even closely related to it?.

Silence you, Severin?. WTF are you talking about?.

Again, the topic is the practical use of an ideology - NOT NECESSARILY FKN ATHEISM - versus the theoretical rhetoric - again, not necessarily ATHEISM.

I KNOW Marxism - Leninism isn't the sum total of friggen Atheism. I know there's Communist Christians, Buddhists, Goats, WTF ever...

F*@k me. Some of you couldn't comprehend yourselves out of a paper bag.

It. Is. Not. Attacking. Atheism. Nowhere have I ACTUALLY DONE THAT.

Christ, I'm done with this.

Most Gracious Foxy

Your thoughts gladden my heart, I also want you to know that I appreciate your responses on a 'certain other topic', especially the link you posted.

StG

We are certainly talking past each other. As I said previously, a few examples of the various ideologies that have arisen from interpretations of Marx/Leninist philosophy would've helped. The topic is about that isn't it? But I won't hold my breath.

No, please, hold away.