Furthermore, Boaz.

You stated:

>>I suppose I am a little bit reluctant to put much weight on it, as last time I perused the activities of Jews around the world, I cannot for the life of me find examples of inhumanity such as the taking of a gentile baby, beheading it, cooking the corpse and then sending it back on a large dinner plate to the mother, but hey..I DID read about that happening to a Christian baby in Bagdhad, and the many young Christian girls who are deliberately targeted by the Muslims for rape... You could dismiss such things as 'Christian propoganda...<<

At least you recognize the possibility of propaganda. But please also consider where it might lead.

The Third Reich churned out masses of propaganda material against the Jews, even recycling the twelfth century blood libel...

"In 1144 an unfounded rumor began in eastern England, that Jews had kidnapped a Christian child, tied him to a cross, stabbed his head to simulate Jesus' crown of thorns, killed him, drained his body completely of blood, and mixed the blood into matzos at time of Passover. The rumor arose from a former Jew, Theobald, who had become a Christian monk. He said that Jewish representatives gathered each year in Narbonne, France. They decided in which city a Christian child would be sacrificed...

Pope Innocent IV ordered a study in 1247 CE. His investigators found that the myth was a Christian invention used to justify persecution of the Jews. At least 4 other popes subsequently vindicated the Jews. However, the accusations, trials and executions continued. In 1817, Czar Alexander I of Russia declared that the blood libel was a myth. Even that did not stop the accusations against Jews in that country." [www.religioustolerance.org]

As I have said before, it is a dangerous path you are treading Boaz. Simply by referring to these stories you are giving them legitimacy, at least in the eyes of those who would exploit your rabble-rousing for their own, even more destructive ends.

Indeed Pericles... your point is not lost on me.

Let me ask you this. Is there any political or social movement which is not prone to such exploitation, hijacking, re-direction ?

I suppose it boils down to the core values of any movement, and how strongly those at it's helm can steer it in terms of those values.
Even so, there has not been an Empire to my knowledge or even political philosophy which has not seen those subsequent to the founder taking it in their own direction.

Any movement is vulnerable because it involved humans.

Conversely, to do nothing..... doesn't lead anywhere. So, perhaps you sense that there are better ways of producing a similiar goal ? i.e. of a harmonious and united Australia ? If you do, then by all means persue them, you have my full support. Its the end goal which matters.

I don't think its possible to be totally immune to 'propoganda'... I had to watch myself all the time in Malaysia, were we did newsletters, and our support depended to a degree on the readers having a sense of 'things happening'.. now.. given that things of a dramatic nature don't happen every day, they tended to be compressed into the single newsletter, which can itself create a false impression. Even when one simply lists things in chronological order without any mal intent.
I once receieved 3 church bulletins in one mail delivery.
#1 Betty SoandSo is Ill..pray for her...
#2 Betty SoandSo is very Ill, prayer urgently for her.
#3 The funeral of Betty SoanSo will be held on Teusday the 15th Nov...

See what I mean ?
We also must consider underlying goals. If ones goal is simply to stir up 'racial hatred' there are much more blatant ways of doing it than how I am.. just check Scumfront or Whiteprides websites.

Highlighting deep rooted social problems by listing video's produced by the culprits..is not propoganda, it is information. If one added a series of racial hatred rants.. it would be propoganda, creating a false impression. Suggesting policy tweaking is not racial hatred.

MOre for Pericles.

[You *think* you understand "the true nature of Islam", whereas in reality you are unable to judge the quality of any information presented to you on account of it being filtered through the lens of your religious absolutism]

Ah..now thats where we definitely differ. Note I said the true nature of 'Islam'...not of 'Muslims'... Muslims will have the full spectrum from moderate, apathetic, cultural to radical and fanatical.
but "Islam"....is one thing. You don't seem to be able to make the connection between its foundation documents, (Quran, Hadith Sunnah) and the community.

What I do is this,-I say "The community will have a range of attitudes in it, but the closer the community comes to true Islam, the greater the danger for non Muslims"

Which of course leads to the question 'Are their forces at work to bring the "Community" closer to true Islam ? and if so, what is the likely outcome ?

Act 1
Enter stage left the "Caliphate Seminar" of Hizb ut Tahrir....and from stage right, my desire to arrange a protest against this thing.

Act 2 Sheikh Faiz rocks up, to the 4000 young people he is supposedly influential to in the Global Islamic Youth Centre, and his DVD series being sold, and minds and hearts are being slowly altered.

Act 3 Sheikh Hilaly doesn't like our Politics so is going to fight us by endorsing Muslim Candidates in 3 seats. The only thing "Muslim" candidates can offer (as opposed to say "Lebanese" candidates) is the advancement of "Islamic" issues.

Are you not detecting just a mild case for concern here ?

Belly...thanx for your contribution. Exactly.. unity, the Aussie flag is a symbol of that and we should be working towards 'on the ground' real unity and not just symbolic

No need to say much because Rhian has already summed up my views on this issue better than I could.

I just like to add that Australia has fallen prey to a far too high level of government control and bureaucracy spinning wildly out of control, with too many government-employed officials living in fear of their own shadow, in case they fail to follow some procedure and, heaven forbids, behave as humans:

We don't need any more of that to counter the undesirable counter-effects of the counter-counter effects of previous counter-counter-counter policies. Instead, I suggest being brave and daring to drop 98% of existing procedures and policies, in favour of common-sense human-to-human relating.

This includes "multiculturalism": I do not support this as a concept and a funded slogan - but I support true multiculturalism as a reality of many people each living their own way of life and tolerating others who live differently.

The problem would not have occured if that nurse did not have authority in the first place to send the husband away, or at least if she did not feel obliged under duress to follow the letter of dictated instructions. On the other hand, the husband should respect the Muslim woman and try to compromize within reason. Those who want a ham sandwich should be able to have it (I am vegetarian), and those who want to pray 5 times a day, including at work, should be able to do it too.

Coercion is based on fear. It is meant to suppress human's evil nature, which it does to some degree, but in fact it suppresses our good and creative nature even more, leaving us in a supposedly safe, but duller and unhappier world. Love on the other hand, takes risks, is willing to be blamed, is unsafe, but is the only way to a worthwhile life.

Up the thread a poster says Lebanese gangs are just a copy of American street gangs!
Its not true but if it was? I am a supporter of the America that once was and will be after Bush is gone.
But gangs that act so deadfully are unwanted in any country, may I point to just the street talk that uses reference to the sexual act with ones mother?
Education may be the reason but nothing can hide the fact such gangs are only part human.
Given the anti white Australian hatred of SOME in our race based gangs I can find no reason to blame others for their actions or to down play those acts.
Do not kid your self my concerns are based on racism clearly its not true.

Damn Belly, you get up early..