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Does Time Exist?

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[what did he mean/?]..simply speaking/assuming...both the past/future are mind figments...[the present alone is real...the future is affected by our hopes/fears...

the past is affected by our judgment...but the present..is as real as it gets..[god lives/live-time[now]..all the time

[ie not past/not future...but here...in the ever now...allways did...allways will]

in his own convoluted way./oliver is right in the substance...yet incorrect in its conclusion[the only reality is this/live/ever-now]

to try and correct...where he may have erred...quote/oliver..<<Two observers..cannot simultaneous occupy the same space-time,>>>thus we can observe...now...ORtomorrow...OR...yesterday...but not any/two...at the same time

..<<because the experience of each observer/is particular>>to its...observances...in real time...in real space[here/now...or not here[only that presently...here...is directly/observable

<<..and is related to the independent motion/of each observer.>>.in their live/time/space...now moment

Individuals may..expereince..their..'own'..historical/SENSE of/time, yet..there is noREALised/observance of it/for that time is/past,be it real[now]...or imagined...past...

its a matter of either/or..
your either...here/now...
or your lost in the past/or the future...thus missing it..now

now or future..in an absolute sense....is an eithor...or..which oliver seems to realise,,,in his next post...<<..yet there is no past,..now..or future..in an absolute sense.">>.thus now is the only relitive moment...gods time..not ours[not hours/days/months/years/milenia..etc...

now
just for now

its sad..how often/peepole/say...they
MUST..read sephanie dorkin...sss[who has no clue]
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 7 July 2010 3:32:32 PM
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Our senses and our brains are geared for survival, not for experiencing the Truth.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 8 July 2010 1:18:25 PM
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QUOTE: "A recent article on several secular science websites was titled Where Is the Best Clock in the Universe?1 The subtitle summarized its contents thus: “The widespread belief that pulsars are the best clocks in the universe is wrong, say physicists.”

Pulsars (derived from ‘pulsating stars’) are astronomical objects that spin incredibly rapidly, often hundreds of times each second. Each time they rotate, they give off a burst of energy as a radio signal. Pulsars are believed to be the superdense remnants of stars that have collapsed inwards on themselves. A figure skater speeds up her rotation automatically from the mere action of drawing her arms inwards, which reduces the effective diameter of her rotating mass. Similarly, as a star collapses inwards, it would speed up its rotation enormously. So ‘accurate’2 are their regularly timed pulses, that for a long time their ‘accuracy’2 was unmatched by even the finest atomic clocks in the world.

The article referred to the work of “John Hartnett and Andre Luiten at the University of Western Australia” and their uncontested claim that the ‘accuracy’ of pulsars has been exceeded. It states:

“Today, the best optical lattice neutral atom clocks and trapped ion clocks have a frequency stability approaching one part in 1017. By contrast, as more pulsars have been discovered, their timing stability has improved by less than an order of magnitude in the last 20 years. The best millisecond pulsars have a stability of only one part in 1015 at best.”
Posted by Philo, Thursday, 8 July 2010 5:27:25 PM
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rehctub,

"My understanding is that if one were to travel at the speed of light, then time would stop."

The allusion of travelling on the beam of light from a clock face is sometimes used to illustrate this point. What is interesting is the expansion of the universe is superluminal. The speed of light in a vacuum (c) is a limit within the universe but not of the universe itself. The parameters of time as experienced by us and the universe appear to be a sub-set a bigger reality.


stevenlmeyer,

Thanks for the references.
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 10:37:13 AM
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You cannot actually travel at the speed of light - we think.

If you travel at close to the speed of light you personally would notice nothing different. Time would appear the same to you. As far as you are concerned you are standing still.

To an OUTSIDE observer watching you whizz by it would appear as as if your clocks are moving very slowly.To him your time would be moving slowly.

Note that to you the other guy's clocks would also appear to move slowly because, relative to you, HE is moving at close to the speed of light.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 10:49:05 AM
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Hello Philo,

There may have been no beginning, as space and time might not wind back to a fixed coordinate, rather to a non-boundary condition (Hawkins). Moroever, postive energy and negative energy (gravity) have been posited to cancel each other out to zero (McFadden). Here, we have extant complementalities whose solutions are non-extant. Else put, there are somethings from nothing.

Albeit, above, we have not assimilated quatum mechanics; wherein, sentience or conciousness or macroenvronment causes decoherence from a supra-realm to the realm of the time we experience (Penrose et al.). Thus, perhaps, explaining how proteins can be built between an inter-realm nexus rather than have the molecules scuttled by the second law of thermodynamics during their assembly. Herein, decoherence from a series of coherences from superpositions allows more to happen than "our" time shall allow. The building a protein from 32 Amino Acids does not happen in soley in our (macro) universe. Protected from our time chains are bult in the nexus until these are observed from the macoenviroment. Thus, I spectulate durations vis-a-vis time might need us the consider decohence from QM superposition, which suggests to me, selection from superposition to be a moderating phenomenon on the observed universe. Durations are outsources to QM and things appear to happened that seem appear impossible in our expereinced time.

If we have non-bounded realms interacting, there may no be a need for a creating agent. All things exist and cancel out. Csuality and time are diminished in this scheme. Our need to find a first cause is based on an illusion.

If there were a divine entity, said God, I put would not be looking over the life of the univese, as we mortals might see units of measure on a rule.

(To the best of my knowledge no one yet has melded the unification of forces (macro) with QM, so knowledge there is imperfect.)
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 11:37:27 AM
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