Oliver

Thank you.

How each of us interprets the reality around is no doubt unique. However, I am not of the philosophical theory that if I was not here to observe it there would be no reality. I find that a rather centrist construct.

We have only two planes of observation the waking and dream, that does not mean there are not more - like colours we only perceive a specific range, we require augmentation on the form of apparatus to observe the ultra-violets and infra-reds. Just as our brains have only evolved to conceive of the finite, we cannot encompass the idea of infinity, even though we may use infinity in calculus, it is not a number and cannot behave like a number. Does time ever stop travelling?

Severin,

When I was a child, one of the most interesting mysteries of the mind for me was the discovery that my mind couldn't conceive "another colour" (outside the spectrum). I realised that it could conceive the notion of another colour, but not the colour itself.

Oliver,

Looking at the awareness of time...
Could it be described as our way of dealing with/measuring/ describing the interchange of particles of matter as we experience the phenomenon of them moving through space? So, ii is not an entity in itself, but more of a tool that we devise to augment our participation in the constantly changing environment?

severn/no worries about our non-discourse...though by the sounds of it[re dreaming/more specificly..recalling your dreaming..you could be closer than anyone/in confirming the truth/or faulsity of much i am trying to make known/..personally..i recollect very little of the dreaming...taking much on faith

im currently reading through the sequel/of..gone west[where the dream realm is exlored[other-wise known as the astral plane..it explains much of the why melbourne/of your dreams is different

available pdf/form
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Subaltern_Spirit_Land.pdf
the gone-west..is the best read
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf

unsure about this one..[but copied it first/accidently..syncronicity?
http://www.new-birth.net/booklet/BlueIsland.pdf

anyhow...as your possably not interested/i mearly post the link...just in case some have after death questions
http://new-birth.net/books_life_after_death.htm

[if only you and squeers could see how close you both seem to be]..but such is the way of spirit...lol[just as youth..is wasted on the young...lol]...in but a few years you might think differently

it took me more than half my life to realise/science was a big con...then15 years to realise religion/much the same...then found the gone west...and it all fell into place

[the first link..actually explains evolution...but as i know science dont know..will need to finish the book/..first..[even if it does confirm/evolution...im sure dorkins et/al...still have no clue

anyhow...im not disapointed you havnt replied me/i dont take things personally..[im used to being the outsider]..everyone i know thinks im strange..thats why im slowing down/..my self appointed mission

in gods time..not mine...i trust the right/persons to find the info...of some asistance...the key being in all this..is if its not good/not of love...its not of god

[however you concieve him to be...]
if its not full of..grace/mercy/love etc...its not of god

one under god,

Thanks for your input to this thread...I read your posts and find they have an ethereal quality.

thanks..Poirot...but any/..<<ethereal quality.>>is co-incidental...made/in ignorance

..to explain..many have/these'certainties'..when the certainty is/..relitivly..'made..in ignorance'...or by imp-lied/concensus..or simply by others..not providing an opposing vieuw-point

take time/..for egsample...its too easy to talk..in minutes/days years...but they are an/arbitory..measure

[like a day on mars/../or venus...or the sun...maybe divided into 24 unit hours...but these will be far from the 60 earth minutes...that designate...'one hour'..here

its much the same/with evolution/claiming to be science...yet unable to verify its claim..by presenting this science...
thus it is rightfully..only a theory...

all im doing is asking/for..their science...knowing they dont got none

[which opens the point..of...what are the alternate/theories..which arnt being considerd..or more importantly...why not?

i see that/..its all theory...some think/to know.
..others seek to know..

for those/claiming science...one would expect..an open mind...but instead we find religious like zeal...holding fast..to their faith...in which they have invested..their belief

its not hard to see/that new variaties of beasts...have appeared/in time...or over time...but we do not know..the how/why..of their creation....nor does science..!

[they were all..created..because real/science has studied their..'creation...from living sperm/..living ovum...to complete..'creation'/..be it beast or man...truth is why...god/or father/nature..did it..remains beyond our knowing

the fact remains...that to this day..science has not made/..its own living sperm...has not made/..its own living egg/ovum...yet blisfully allows children to believe they have

i hold the same authoritive/ignorance..up to the faulse beliefs/of religions..

there is..a timeless/collective/one-ness[atonement]...we call god..that is the organising..force of the universe

[unseen...much like electricity..is unseen...
but knowable by his affects...[life/gravity...light/love..grace mercy...logic/law...constance/mundane..as well as the exceptional]..

yes/we cant concieve/..the oneness...but there is a unity..if we so chose...
and the more we know..the less we know for certain..[ie quantum mechanics...

its much the same/as argueing with a child..who recieves gifts from satan/clause..or money from the/ester rabbit..

who have their certainty..via grand deception...not faulsifyable/consistant/replicatable..fact

but sadly/one of gods rules..is let he who would be decieved/remain decieved..till they seek/know..to ask the right question/...

why?..it validates freewill...

/god...is/an all loving servant/parent/good...content to simply..let us have..our life...on..our...*terms/..as we understand/know..it to be..our/life..not his..his gift to us

Poirot,

Interest concept.

In physics the nature of the reality of a particle is unclear, wherein one cannot measure the position and velocity of particle, and, there is dualism between the particle-form and the wave-form. This means that it would be hard for an observer to relate his/herself to particles. Nontheless, observation would permit QM decoherence. Yet, it appears common place for us to macro sized objects like the chair I am sitting on and the keyboard as I type.

Observation also appears to relate to the means of measurement. For example, one can block the passage of photon with two polaroid filters placed at vertical and horizontal orientations. However, if a third polaroid lense is added in between the two rotated to 1 o'clock, 6% of the light will come thorough. In a similar vane, some physcists have suggested that the twin-paradox at the speed of light is incomplete. The retuening twins would not only have differenr ages there clocks would run at different speeds, even after they met again (probably a minority opinion)