Dear Severin and Pelican. (Green voters)

I would like to try to persuade you to choose other than the Greens.. no offense.. I don't support any of the major parties either, I do support FF but my preference would be for an Independant (who does genuinely care for both people and our place.)

I could goto considerable effort to demonstrate the Greens policies are dangerous.. but space is a limitation.

Let's explore some of their policies and see whether you see any danger signals..

POLICY E.5
1. global governance is essential to meet the needs of global peace and security, justice, human rights, poverty alleviation and environmental sustainability.

6. the international financial institutions that govern aid, development, trade, and transnational financial movements require extensive reform to enable them to provide global economic justice.

POLICY E.6

4.all peoples have the right to self-determination.

5.developing nations have the right to economic independence and to sovereignty.

COMMENT
Do you not see something of a contradiction between E5 and E6 ?

E5 "Global Governance"
E6 "Self determination and sovereignty"

Could you 2 explain to me the primary reason for your Green support?

-Human Rights?
-Environment/Glogal Warming?
-Other?

Given the nature of mankind.. do you foresee any dangers in anything resembling 'Global'....governance?

ps..I appreciate your willingness to discuss with manners and respect :

All this stuff about independents, & minor parties will, I hope, die when the acid test, the actual vote, comes along. All this stuff is very dangerous to our stability.

We got a messy GST, costing billions to administer, because we had a bunch of twits in a balance of power at the time. Without them we would have got either a practical GST, or none. Either would have been preferable than what we got.

WE could even end up like Italy did for decades. Musical chairs in their squabbling minor parties, led to a change of government every time someone emptied a milk bottle. Latin politics we don't need.

I could not despise Rudd more if I tried. Labor really did get right to the bottom of the barrelto find that bit of slime.

I have no opinion on Abbott yet, I've had too many interesting things going on recently to bother thinking about him.

However, I would much rather one or the other of them than a lash up of fussy minors, & independents, playing god in my life. The worst thing is that minors & independents all want to "make a difference" & do not know enough to see the unexpected concequences of their proposals. Catastrophe is inevitable with all of them, whereas it is only probable with the big two.

No one can get a full idea of what an independent really stands for, on all issues, & minor parties keep changing their stripes, every time you take your eyes off them for even a minute. No thanks to either of them.

At least with the big two, we have a fair idea of what we are getting, even if it is slime

Sheesh Hasbeen... that was quite a mouthful :) (of whining bile that is)

But you made one assertion as follows: "GST Costing BILLIONS..to administer"

Can you support that assertion with any documentary evidence?

Your cynicism of the major's is well founded in my view, but your criticism of the minors may be a bit shallow.

The Major parties represent:

COALITION "Big and small Business + Farmers"
LABOUR "Working Class voters, migrants."

In both cases, my cynicism is that whichever gets into power just changes the Consultant companies they outsource their work to.. each one having a harem of 'politically correct' (for them)of companies who they groom and suckle.

Labour is all about ETS now."Emmissions TRADING Scheme"...hmmmm *looks at ENVEX* the carbon trading company run by BOB CARR!
The Greens have 132 pages of a "worse than the tax law" Sustainable Climate bill which would cost megabucks to administer also, and screw the country... I mean really screw it up. (Severin and Pelly..don't read that bit:)

Greens talk about 'social justice' is just code for unsustainable welfare and taking Australia into a global socialist network sponsored by George Soros, Al Gore (and his network of 'Green capo's)and left leaning political blocs.

All of those blokes are 'ubercapitalists' and the last thing they (and their labour flunkies here working with them) want, is to lose the power which will guarantee a capitalist reward for their newly found 'Green' screen saver skin.

Much as I hate the damn GST it remains the simplest way to rapidly raise needed revenue to repay debt.. all we have to do is say "We're BROKE..gst up to 12%" end of story.

Yell...kick...scream all you like.. it might be the only solution.

pericles.. I have a MUCH better T-shirt for BNP supporters to wear in Barking...

Imagine a picture of billy braggs with his finger in Richard Barnbrook's chest/face and in the background Braggs HUGE mansion in Dorset.

Caption.. "I support the battlers"

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.alandunn67.co.uk/bragg3.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.alandunn67.co.uk/selfportraits.html&usg=__6o4l8d2oCIlCt4tXWLXVdmoSn9I=&h=375&w=500&sz=95&hl=en&start=3&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=px8W6d2_u4XWzM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbilly%2Bbragg%2527s%2Bhome%2Bdorset%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1

Don't worry Pericles..the Barking Dagenham story is not yet over.
Nor is the story of British Politics.

Al, I don't scream about the GST, I just don't like the bastardised version of it that we got. I understand that if we want the governments to hold our hands throughout all our lives it's gunna cost, & cost heaps.

I'd rather get government right out of life. When I was young we paid our insurances, which were a few pennies a week, & looked after ourselves.

Of course we didn't go around shoving hearts & things into all & sundry, & patching up those of us who didn't get a second hand one. This probably costs more than people dying when their bits were worn out, used to.

I don't want documentery evidence of the mess the implementation was, that would mean listening to some fool academic. What I do know is that it cost the little group of companies I ran, [just 16 employees], all the profits for a full year, just to get going. It then, & still does, cost half an administration wage, to keep it going. That, as well as a new accounting program to keep the cost down to there.

Mate, you only have to look at the damn idiots we get in local government to see that most independents are as useful as the old one about things on a bull, & local government is where most of them start. Granted they are not much worse than the party hacks in Brisbane, & Ipswich, but we have no way of really knowing that before voting.

So Al, run if you like, but I won't be helping you get your deposit back.

Speaking of a third power in Aussie politics (I'm sure somebody at least mentioned it?), I took a long hard look at New Australia. The unfortunate part is that as far as I know, they've not yet attracted enough members to register with the AEC in time for the coming elections. I'm politically interested enough to see that they have some good ideas, just not politically savvy enough to know if those ideas would work effectively.

Their web site even has a little quiz to see where your political ideologies lay. I bravely took the test and was amazed to find that according to the quiz, I fall into the camp of Socialist/Greens. Me?

I also notice that they'll give their preferences to the Greens. Check 'em out....

http://www.newaustralia.net/